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#C=A and Timothy Leary

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#99725From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 23, 1987 9:02 PM
Bill, Thanks for the comment. I don't know if Leary makes good or bad news but I am intrigued by the emotions he's brought out in many people. Even more interesting, to me, is that I didn't hear any complaints about his previous project(s). Perhaps I wasn't listening then. -Jim
#99765From: John DraperDec 24, 1987 12:39 AM
On the other hand, maybe nobody wants to attack Big Blue or the mess they've foisted upon the computer community. The Amiga is a nice easy target, and doesn't upset any big apple carts. Ever see anyone try to boycott food? Regards, Larry.
#99775From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 24, 1987 1:16 AM
Larry, Which recent Commodore (Amiga?) stories appeared to be poorly researched? If they've been labelled as rumors, I won't apologize for them. Readers constantly ask for the "latest rumor", and as long as a rumor doesn't degrade anyone or anything (company, computer, etc.) I run them as I get them. However, there are occasions when I've flat out screwed up, and I do like to know when it happens. Of course, there are also times when folks just *think* I've screwed up <smile>. I prefer to think that the latter case happens most often. Undoubtedly, informed readers may disagree <sheepish smile>. -Jim
#99778From: John DraperDec 24, 1987 1:27 AM
James, The first of the two I mentioned was the one concerning CBM uploading driver software to this forum. It was not CBM, which could have been ascertained quite easily by checking the uploader's name and asking the question. The second was in the 'rumor' tone, but was stated as if it wasn't, being attributed to some unnamed person within CBM. We fielded a lot of questions on that one, and more than a few people were upset that they had just bought something virtually on the eve of marvellous releases from CBM. Regards, Larry.
#99873From: James Moran [OLT]Dec 24, 1987 2:20 PM
Larry, As you probably know, I took a lot of heat for the Amiga driver story. The explanation that accompanied it seemed unambiguous to me and I accepted it as coming from CBM (knowing the forum administrators would never allow an upload of this significance unless it was authentic). I'd probably check every potential story directly through "official" CBM sources, but many within the company (particularly in sales) don't respond to calls (most recent example: the Leary story, 8 calls and no response). In all fairness, I've had this problem only with the sales department (two individuals in particular). The software folks, in contrast, are very accomodating. However, I don't want to ramble too much about this. Basically, your comment is correct – I was wrong in the attribution but not on the substance (the driver was available). To your second point about nebulous sources, non-attribution is a true pain in the butt. I feel the same way about stories that I read but I recognize that some people just won't talk for attribution. If the story indicated a "senior executive" or " highly placed source", you can be sure it was either a VP or a senior manager at the company. Why they would want to feed a phony story is something only they could answer. Too often, I received verbal or written information, only to have the source say "oh, but don't print my name." Some are timid, some are talking out of school, and some are undoubtedly planting disinformation. These latter should leave business and go into government or the spy business. -Jim
#99899From: John FoustDec 24, 1987 5:53 PM
As a writer, when I report on a technical issue, I know better than to listen to salespeople or even senior VPs, especially when it comes to details. You've got to get some better contacts within Commodore if you are going to report on technical issues. These sales and marketroids do *not* know the facts, even though they may be willing to promote them as gospel. If you would have verified your stories with someone who knows what they are talking about, then you wouldn't have run those (incorrect) stories.
#99980From: Ben BlishDec 25, 1987 7:40 AM
You called _Commodore_ about T. Leary, got no response, and you think _that's_ an example of a company not being accomadating? You sure they just didn't write you off as "Searching for an Enquiring Mind"? Man, if you called _my_ company with a stupid, time wasting question like that, I'd assume it was a prank call and hang up. <shaking head> –Ben–
#99792From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 24, 1987 2:23 AM
Jim, The story relative to the under $3000 50 Meg HD, 9 Meg 68030 Amiga and the 'soon to be released 4th Amiga' which you attributed to sources inside CBM are examples of stories that have been flatly denied by CBM engineers here in the Forum. Considering that these are they guys who would be designing any such machine….and since they didn't just 'no comment', but flatly denied any such machines…..I would suspect that either your sources are playing games with you…or they have a development team well hidden from the rest of the hardware/software engineers working on the Amiga….which to be honest, sounds even more unlikely. Since a story of a newer machine can kill sales of the current machine (look at what happened to the Osborne, et al) I would think that something of that magnitude, and stated in such positive terms (as in 'CBM WILL be selling..') should be cross checked to confirm it's validity before publishing it. I'm not saying the stories aren't true (althou I suspect they aren't), I'm saying that we can't confirm or verify them thru our 'normally reliable AND knowledgeable sources' at CBM. Don
#99845From: Fernando HarbDec 24, 1987 12:19 PM
Don, As I missed the incident & dont read OLT I can on ly respond in general. I suppose the fact that the info COULD infact hurt the company (any company) would be a reason why a strongly worded flat out denial might possibly be offered. Since I have lived thru many of these only to have the person(s) changing their story when the time is convient}i I reserve judgement. Lets truly hope that C= does have these in the works for immediate delivery then maybe by Xmas 88 some of them will materialize! Who Knows! Fernando (*Please note the above message WAS sent TIC)
#99969From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 25, 1987 1:43 AM
Fernando, I can assure you that there will AT SOME TIME, be a 4th Amiga. When that time is, and what that machine will be I can't say. I can say that it will NOT be a 68030 based machine, with 9 Meg RAM and a 50 Meg HD for less than $3000. Don
#100030From: Fernando HarbDec 25, 1987 6:24 PM
Thanks Don, I snuck into Amiga thru the back door (the 500) so most of what is being discussed/rumoured is way out of my bracket anyway. Although a 68030based 9meg Amiga w/a 50 meg hd for less than $3000 sounds like a T.Leary dream at best! (Dont get me wrong C= A WANTS to produce a machine I might hock everything but the liklihood seems well ……(ad your own comments)) Lastly I would *hope* that C= A does come out with a 4th & a 5th & a 6th etc as they eventually gain their rightful place in the market. Have a Merry Xmas, & a Happy 88! Fernando. (In regards to the last msg TIC=Tongue in Cheek but Im sure you knew that)
#100038From: Don Curtis/SYSOPDec 25, 1987 9:05 PM
Fernando, Ah….ok, I completely missed the meaning of TIC….gottcha! Have a good year! Don
#99850From: BILL LEACHDec 24, 1987 12:34 PM
Larry: Yes, I have! 73, bill
#99831From: Jim VentolaDec 24, 1987 10:57 AM
Jim- Since you have been around since ths, how is it that you are still "intrigued" by the strong emotions Leary arouses? Hysteria in the United States (or Haiti or anywhere) is hardly new or surprising. Are you surprised that the press treats Gary Hart worse than they would treat a serial killer? I am not. // Jim
#99849From: BILL LEACHDec 24, 1987 12:34 PM
James: Many others have expressed the issues far better than myself but the idea of someone boycotting CBM because Leary chooses to write software for an Amiga is about as absurd as boycotting General Motors because a drunk driver killed someone while driving a GM car. As to not buying his software, someone else said that rather well too! I personnally am not much into games so I doubt that I would buy something that he wrote. I don't personally have anything against Leary, I think he is more of a victim of his own advice than anything else. If he has recovered from his self-imposed mind blowing drug experiances then more power to him. 73, Merry Christmas, bill