Imagine not for A2000?
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Do you folks have a money back guarantee? The reason I ask is that Imagine
will not run on my system (or am I supposed to Imagine it does – hence its
name ;^} ).
I have a stock 2000 with ADOS 1.3.2, 3 meg memory, 512k Agnus, 80 meg HD
with Imagine in a drawer on DH1:, one of two 40 meg partitions on the
drive. I can't tell what version of the software I have as it crashes the
system with an "op code 1111" GURU (0000000B) message every time I invoke
it whether from CLI or WB. I was kinda waiting for the upgrade you mention
I would get when I bought the software from you in Anehiem, but have heard
nothign from you. (I thought the upgrade would fix it). But after seeing
all the happy users in the forum here, I assume that the reason the
software won't run is that there is some minimum configuration required
beyond what I have that was not explained on the box or by the sales people
at AmieExpo. There is no instruction on installation, but I assume that
copying all the files to the HD and into the same directory will be
sufficient to make it run, but alas, it only switches to an interlace
screen then puts up the task held requestor. No menus are available or
anything.
Since I am not planning an upgrade to more than my present configuration
until the ECS set and 2.0 is released for the 2000, I would like to return
the package for a refund. I'll just ave to stick with SA4-D, I guess.
Anyway, if you could tell me how to get an RMA, I would appreciate it.
Sorry this situation has come up. Hopefully there will be more successful
attempts (perhaps a "minimum configuration" warning on the box) that will
prevent others from assuming like I did that the progam will run on a
basically stock 2000 HD type setup.
wmc
Wayne,
Any chance you've inadvertantly installed the coprocessor version of
Imagine on a non-equipped machine? I know when they first shipped version
0.9 they had a bunch go out that had the coprocessor version on BOTH disks,
so everyone was crashing unless they had the chip installed. Don't know
about version 1.0 as I don't have it yet (and I have the FP hardware
installed anyway) but maybe that's your problem…
Pete
Wayne,
Since I originally wrote to you, I got my 1.0 package via UPS.
Did you get the notice with your package that says you have to use their
install program or the package won't work? Did you use that program, and
did it appear to terminate successfully?
Pete
Pete,
That is possible as I received the 1.0 version the day after giving upa nd
uploading that message. Version 1.0 works fine. I even had it animating
while I was 'Whapping!" I guess I could check both disks to see if the
files on both compare. That would be a good indicator if the versions were
68020/6881/2 versions.
BTW, I got the 0.9 at AmiExpo.
wmc
Wayne,
If you were talking about 0.9, that's almost certainly what the problem
was. The initial runs of 0.9 consisted of two disks, labeled as FP and
non-FP versions, that were in fact both FP versions.
Now I have problems of my own; version 1.0 (which arrived right around the
time I was writing my original message to you) won't run properly on MY
machine…
Pete
Pete,
Version 1.0 runs pretty much flawlessly on my machine. I checked the 0.9
disks and the Imagine files are titled differently and hav different file
sizes, so I suspect that one was the floating point version and one was the
integer version. I guess there was something in the 0.9 version that was
changed that in the 1.0 version that allowed it to run on my machine.
Did you follow the installation instuctions to the letter in the coversheet
to the Version 1.0 errata? Thats what I did and it seems to work fine.
wmc
Wayne,
Yup, I sure did. In fact, I re-installed it several times and it's the
same each time. The symptoms are: (1) garbage characters show up as
defaults in various requesters; (2) certain menus don't drop down like
they're supposed to, on a random basis; (3) if the first two problems are
worked around, the machine hangs up forever when any attempt is made to
generate an animation.
I come up with only two possibilities: either the source disk is bad
somehow (which seems unlikely), or the program is running into trouble
trying to run on my machine. If it's the latter, I don't know where it
would be going wrong unless it doesn't like the fact that I have 2MB of
chip memory. That's the only thing that's unusual about my machine. But I
don't see what difference that would make…
Pete
Pete, I don't believe Impulse has played with any 2Mb chip RAM-equipped
A2000's. Is there any way to test your software on a standard A2000 setup?
Then we could narrow it down a little bit. I have seen some of the erratic
behavior you're describing in some of the earlier versions of the software.
All the problems I saw were directly related to memory. –Rick
Rick,
Unfortunately, my machine is the only one around; I have no access to any
others.
Pete
Just my two cents…. But I have a 3000 with 2 MB of chip and
Imagine loves it. Flies right along. You may have something else
different though… Ever run a RAM test on your system? Sometimes a single
bad chip can cause a lot of trouble.
Later,
Andrew
Pete,
I am using the integer version. I would guess that you have the floating
point version installed. You may want to delet the current version and try
reinstalling from the oiginal disks with the integer vesion to see if that
might be the problem.
wmc
Good idea, Wayne. I'll give that a shot.
Pete
Wayne,
The "opcode 1111" guru message indicates that you were trying to run a
program that was expecting to find a coprocessor and didn't. Opcodes that
begin with a binary 1111 (hex F) cause so-called "F line" exceptions on
680×0 processors. Motorola has reserved the "F line" exceptions to
implement coprocessor instructions.
Darron
Darron,
So do you think that if I tried the version that is marked as the FP
version it might work? Do you think the files and disks were labeled wrong?
There is a different file on each disk (at least the name and size differ).
wmc
Wayne,
Who knows? It's possible that the disks were mislabelled. I know that
Impulse had a goof-up in their disk duplication process when Imagine 0.9
shipped.
Darron
wmc, make sure you're not running the .FP version of the software, that's
only intended for folks with 68020s or '30s. If this isn't the case, we
will make sure to get you a version that works. –Rick
Rick,
No need to worry. The 1.0 came and it works fine. I did check the disks,
however, and the 0.9 version has a .FP version with filesize 413522 and the
version on the Impulse.int disk is 413236. Anyway, it doesn't matter now as
I have a working 1.0 version.
BTW, I like the tutorial alot – very instructive.
wmc