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#DTP programs & CG Fonts

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#9125From: Malcolm O'BrienDec 13, 1990 12:38 AM
Lloyd, I think that Gold Disk's thinking was that PP be used with PostScript and so you could get DM proofs. What they looked like was not important. And if the user was going to use DM printers, he should buy PageSetter instead. I'm not sure that this isn't STILL their thinking. Malcolm
#9299From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIDec 13, 1990 9:50 PM
Malcom, Pagesetter was not much better printing to dot matrix printers. Funny thing is – NOW it is better. A "trickle down" benifit from Pro Page. Version 1.0 was designed only for PostScript. Any other printing was just a "tack on". I knew that. Every magazine reported it in their reviews. I didn't buy it then for just that reason. Then when 1.1 (or was it 1.2?) came out, they advertised claims like "much improved dot matrix printing" through "improved printing routines" (or something to that effect). That is when I purchased Pro Page. And discovered, much to my chagrin, that they were describing what the "new" AmigaDOS 1.3 print routines would do for dot matrix printing. Not acceptable. If they had "stuck to their guns" and kept it a PostScript only program, I would have had no quibble with them. I felt I had been "had", for the above mentioned reasons. That is only my opinion however. BUT, if they were going to add support for non-PostScript printers (to make the program more salable), they should have done it better the FIRST time. "Serious" DeskTop Publishing demands the use of PostScript printers, no arguement. I got tired of fighting the different software packages and finally bought a PostScript printer. NOW the PostScript alternatives are very numerous. But a year ago or so you still had to look at about $3000 MINIMUM to get a PostScript printer. A LOT more people could afford HP type lasers, or a DeskJet at the "low end". And those printers can do a very credible job of DTP work, given the proper software. And those users were being ignored, forced to print screen resolution fonts to their 300 DPI printers. It was suggested they print their pages at FOUR TIMES the normal size, and then photocopy the page at .25% to get an "apparent 300 DPI". Yeah…… Anyway, now they BOTH print to non-PostScript printers in a much better fashion. And produce more than acceptable output. A little late, but better than nothing. At least many people won't have to try to scrimp and save for [ MORE ]
#9599From: Malcolm O'BrienDec 15, 1990 8:15 PM
Lloyd, I can understand your chagrin certainly. But I note that Saxon (who started out as PS only) are now (or will be) supplying a program for DM output. Once again, it's for proofs. Course, there are proofs and proofs. At Transactor, our proofs were done on a NEC that we got at dealer cost ($4,000). Now, however, I do proofs on a MPS-1000. Final is a 300dpi QMS or a 600×600 Varityper (much better for duplicating). I guess we both know that photoreduction doesn't cut it. That's why I do actual size and like to go to the Varityper. Malcolm
#9742From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIDec 16, 1990 2:11 PM
Malcom, There are "proofs" and then there are "proofs". What Gold Disk was hyping as "improved dot matrix output" looked amateurish, and wasn't usable for anything other than a "proof" – assuming you had access to a PostScript printer or typesetter for final output. The printouts weren't usable for ANYTHING else – and *I* wouldn't have wanted to *show* them to anybody. The output from PageStream THEN, and both Pro Page and PageStream NOW are more than ACCEPTABLE for certain types of printing tasks – for those without PostScript printers. With 300 DPI printers like the HP DeskJet and HP LaserJet, the printouts can serve a great many more people. And they still can be used for "proofing" purposes. No, Screen fonts to a 300 DPI printer just don't cut it. Not even for "proofs". Lloyd
#9300From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIDec 13, 1990 9:50 PM
[ continuation ] an expensive PostScript printer! Too late for me, however. SOB…… ;^) Lloyd