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#A2000 crashes!

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#9067From: Phil KoenigDec 12, 1990 9:10 PM
Been having problems with my recently purchased (used) A2000. On two separate occasions, the computer crashed randomly. I would come back to it to find the video output completely black (including the composite video output) and the computer not doing what it was doing (to the best I could determine, being that the screen was black). The first time this happened, I tried to reboot using the three-fingered salute. This time it booted up with a black screen. So I turned everything off, took the cpu apart, and reseated all the chips. When I rebooted, it seemed to be alive. Used it for a while the next day, and then in the middle of a hard disk backup, it did the same thing. I again took off the power supply and cards, and poked the chips inthis time paying particular attention to the buster chip (which I had heard may be responsible for a black monitor output). Booted again, and no problem…so far. Anyone have any idea what caused this? I'm using a Conner CP-340 HD, C= 2090 (non-A) controller, Microbotics 8-up with 2 meg. installed, and also have a Konica 10.7 floppy on-board. I never experienced this with my A500, where I used these cards/peripherals in a Subsystem expansion chassis. Oh- I have the old Agnus chip, kickstart 1.3, and the motherboard is modified to rev. 4.5 level. On a slightly related note: the utility "HandyWB", which puts a menu of executable programs on the title bar, doesn't seem to run on the 2000. It bows out with an error message something like "HandyWB failed, requires Workbench 1.2 ver. 33! returncode 20". I've never had this problem with WB 1.3 installed on my A500. Could it be the kickstart 1.3 rom that it's reacting to? Thanks in advance for any pointers. + Phil +
#9098From: RON TROYDec 12, 1990 11:02 PM
As to handywb, you have an old version, that has been replaced. The 1.3 version works fine. If I understand right, under 2.0 the menu type utilities will be a lot different. Ron
#9535From: Phil KoenigDec 15, 1990 4:09 AM
Aha..figured I might have had an old version. Thanks for the tip. + Phil +
#9149From: Nick MooreDec 13, 1990 1:28 AM
Phil, I am all too familiar with the black screen you describe. It has followed my A2000 through a motherboard revision and still comes back to haunt me. I get it mostly when using SID, a file manager type-program. I have a GVP controller and a 40 meg Quantum, a Live!2000 board and, like you, a Microbotics 8-Up DIP. The only thing I can figure is that possibly the 8-UP is very sensitive to noise and that harddisk activity can sometimes make it go bananas. The only way I can even use the Live!2000 is by putting the 8-UP in the leftmost slot and putting the Live! in the rightmost slot, with the hardcard in the middle -taking up 3 slots!- :^( The clincher is that back when I had a REV 3.9 motherboard, the three cards coexisted peacefully and I had no blackout problems. Even then, though, I would sometimes have gurus while doing ray traces with Turbo Silver. That is when I first suspected a memory/noise problem and, indeed, segregating the memory board as far as possible from the other boards seemed to do the trick. Anyone else care to comment? I'd love to find a way to run my machine without having to play musical slots to get everything to work. Nick
#9158From: John GagerDec 13, 1990 2:26 AM
The author of SID has admitted a problem with the current ShareWare version that causes the screen blackout. If you have sent in your Share$$ you can access his BBS and get the info. John
#9307From: Nick MooreDec 13, 1990 10:19 PM
Thanks for the information. I have not sent in the Shareware fee because I have heard that SID is not 2.0 compatible. Do you know anything about this? Nick
#9338From: John GagerDec 14, 1990 12:13 AM
I haven't tried SID yet on a 2.0 machine, so I'm not sure if it is compatible or not. I do know that he is working on SID 2.0 which he claims will work with 1.3 and 2.0. But it has been quite a few months that he started the project and no update yet. So it probably would be best to wait and see if he releases the upgrade. John
#9649From: Nick MooreDec 15, 1990 11:30 PM
Thanks for the info on SID, John. Nick
#9428From: Christopher LapriseDec 14, 1990 1:22 PM
Upgrade to an A500 🙂
#9648From: Nick MooreDec 15, 1990 11:29 PM
As a matter of fact, I have an A500 as well as the 2000. Never had a single problem with it, now that you mention it ;^) Nick
#9693From: Christopher LapriseDec 16, 1990 3:14 AM
Nick, There was a rash of bad power supplies that gave-out when adding an A501 and external floppy, but that has passed and doesn't reflect on the actual expansion capabilities of the machine.
#10186From: Nick MooreDec 19, 1990 11:40 PM
Chris, BTW, can you tell me what size torx screwdriver is needed for the those screws in the A500 case? Nick
#10227From: ICD, Inc.Dec 20, 1990 6:18 AM
T10 Craig
#10515From: Nick MooreDec 22, 1990 11:55 PM
Thanks. I've got a spare 1.3 rom lying around…guess I'll break down and buy T10 and install it into the A500. Nick
#10283From: Christopher LapriseDec 20, 1990 3:28 PM
You would use a TORX T-10 driver, Nick.
#10516From: Nick MooreDec 22, 1990 11:55 PM
Thanks, Chris. Guess I'll have to pay Radio Shack a visit and buy one. My A500 has a 1.2 rom and I have a 1.3 just collecting dust. Nick
#10617From: Christopher LapriseDec 24, 1990 7:29 AM
You can also pick one up at Sears which carries Torx drivers in their Craftsman line.
#9536From: Phil KoenigDec 15, 1990 4:13 AM
Truly an interesting experience. Thought maybe you isolated the 8-up because that was the common piece between us, but it looks like you narrowed it down to that far before I came along. One of the things I paid a lot of attention to, in my selection of A2000, was the motherboard rev. number. Wanted to have at least 4.4…based on some transcripts of various problems documented here in the past. Looks like there may be some detriment to the newer rev., at least with the 8-up. Hmm. + Phil +
#9647From: Nick MooreDec 15, 1990 11:29 PM
I am not 100% sure that the 8-UP is the culprit here, but it seems the most likely candidate at this point. Everything is working, after a fashion, so I have no pressing desire to invest in a new mem board, although I have been tempted to upgrade my GVP IMPACT 2000 hardcard for a new series II hardcard with capacity for 8 meg onboard. The trouble there is I don't think I could use my 1meg x1 drams with it. You are lucky to have gotten a 4.4 rev motherboard. I started out with a 3.9 , found that it wouldn't support the 1 meg Agnes, and upgraded to a 6.2B. Soon after that, one of the 8520's went bad and instead of replacing just the chip, my dealer said that it was Commodore's policy to replace the whole motherboard when it fails while under warranty. The replacement board that Commodore sent him was only a rev 6, but at least the clock worked and it seemed a bit more stable than the 6.2B I had. All in all, quite an adventure. Let me know if you find a solution, ok? I have saved your name and id and will pass along anything I might come up with. Nick
#9911From: Phil KoenigDec 17, 1990 9:52 PM
Thanks Nick for your interest. Things seem to have stabilized moreor-less after I reseated all the chips the second time. I still don't understand why I can't turn it on and have something running for a length of time without something crashing though. For testing purposes, I had a couple of nights I turned it on using Mostra to go through my picture file directories and show pictures while I slept. On both occasions I woke up to a crashed computer. The second time GOMF told me that it had something to do with corrupt memory or something. I tried just leaving it on a graphics demo (no hard disk activity) and it seemed to work, at least for the few hours it was doing it. At one point it be less than funny when I had saved some important text I'd captured off of Usenet, and did a dir command, only to get a "HD1: has a read-write error"…ack! The most dreaded message! Luckily, most of it was backed up. I opened up the box, re-seated some SCSI cables, and it booted up as if nothing had happened. Sigh. Hope that's all THAT was. I just wish I could feel comfortable leaving the thing on all the time without having it always crash. Among other things, I was entertaining ideas of a small BBS. + Phil +
#9979From: Christopher LapriseDec 18, 1990 12:52 PM
What brand/type of SCSI interface do you have?
#9993From: Phil KoenigDec 18, 1990 2:47 PM
I have an ICD Advantage 2000 now. Although, it appears that the crashes have become a thing of the past, at least for now. + Phil +
#10185From: Nick MooreDec 19, 1990 11:40 PM
Phil, Have you tried moving the 8-up as far away from the HD controller as is physically possible? I remember that did the trick for me when I had the Rev 3.9 board and was experiencing crashes while rendering with Turbo Silver. If you do that and it works, then I'd bet that the culprit is the 8-UP, which is somehow overly sensitive to rf. Nick
#10454From: Phil KoenigDec 22, 1990 1:48 AM
Well, luckily, I haven't experienced the crashes at all in the last week or so. I think pushing all the chips in did the trick. It's been running beautifully. Thanks for the tip though! + Phil +
#9427From: Christopher LapriseDec 14, 1990 1:22 PM
That's easy.. The A500 is more reliable 🙂
#9537From: Phil KoenigDec 15, 1990 4:14 AM
Awwwww…c'mon now! + Phil +