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Amiga to PC LAN

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#80723From: Larry GlambDec 8, 1992 4:22 PM
Anyone had any experience LANing Amigas and PCs? I'm currently running ENLAN between my Amigas but would like to drop in a PC. Mostly for disk sharing. Full access would be nice but even a batch mode transfer would save me money in the long run. lGlamb lglamb+RV13@rvdc.unisys.com CTOS Data Comm Support
#81668From: Gordon CunninghamDec 16, 1992 10:30 PM
I've got a Novell 2.15c LAN here, using Oxxi's Novell Client and all is working well. This is the expensive way to go, though. I know nothing about ENLAN. Tell me more?
#81742From: Larry GlambDec 17, 1992 8:58 PM
ENLAN is a DEC compatible product from Interworks. Runs over the CBM ethernet boards and costs around $200 for a 5 node license. It's been working fine for me in a pure Amiga setting but I don't know of anything I could tie into on the MSDOS side. Agree, the Oxxi/Novell solution is a bit costly for my purposes. I've been hoping someone had experience with a TCP/IP package. lGlamb lglamb+RV13@rvdc.unisys.com CTOS Data Comm Support
#81922From: Brian CowanDec 19, 1992 3:08 PM
Well, Novell=Lots of $$$ any way you slice it. Also, getting a Non-PC to work on a Novell network is one heck of a job any way you slice it. So they probably _have_ to charge mucho dinero to recoup their costs. I'm not sure if ENLAN is "DECNET compatible" or a DECNET derivative, though. Interworks would have to let us know. I do wish that they had written it to be SANA compliant though. That way, as soon as a SANA driver came available for PCMCIA ethernet cards, an A1200 or A600 could be put on-line…. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#82180From: Gordon CunninghamDec 22, 1992 12:21 AM
Getting a non-PC to work on Novell isn't that hard – the Mac and Amiga solutions work very well, and Unix is now hooked in, too. Granted you may never see CPM systems on Novell, but they can be 'served' via dialups and communications servers… And there are gateways to DEC, etc. IMHO, the biggest problem is the lack of standards that apply to most, if not all machines. to change your quote: Workable Networking=$$$ any way you slice it…
#82248From: BILL LEACHDec 22, 1992 11:54 AM
Gordon; While the Novell, Banyan Vines folks and the like, sound their trumpets they all spend most of their effort in one of two areas: First, they attempt to achieve the functionality of Unix network services and second, they try to be sure that no one can get on their network without paying through the nose! The problem with comparing the junk offerings with Unix is that their is a fundamental design conflict. Unix networking is truly "open" design. The original intention and continuing efforts are toward machine independent network services. Hugh resources world wide are directed toward that effort. The efforts of Novell and the like are to control the world's networking environments. I don't have a problem with the idea of profit but I do object to those that will try to destroy what amounts to a magnificant achievement where the aim is not a better system but rather a more expensive one. I tend to equate Novell's efforts to the sort of behaviour that Apple used to try to claim right to something that was a gift to mankind. -bill
#82179From: Gordon CunninghamDec 22, 1992 12:21 AM
I wish I had more TCP/IP expereince. I'm running ARCNet boards here, but looking into Ethernet for the TCP/IP connections. I don't really have any need, just desire for the time being. At some point, though, I'd like to hook up a Unix machine to the net, and that will most likely be through TCP/IP packages… Thanks for the info – I may check it out for some clients adding more than one Amiga to their businesses…
#82190From: Tony MoriDec 22, 1992 1:12 AM
Well, If you get Novell 3.11(or above), TCP/IP is included. you have to load it from the server console (ie, load tcpmon) Tony
#82438From: Brian CowanDec 23, 1992 8:35 PM
But NFS isn't. It's a high cost option…. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#82520From: BILL LEACHDec 24, 1992 11:11 AM
NFS is a high cost option?! What system? What vendor? Thats awful! Happy Holidays -bill
#82526From: SyndesisDec 24, 1992 1:32 PM
Novell charges a lot for the software for their PC servers that lets them handle NFS…
#82584From: Vic WagnerDec 24, 1992 9:38 PM
John, I think the '.' could go just as well after the word "servers"
#82715From: SyndesisDec 26, 1992 1:04 PM
Networking is expensive except on Macs. 🙂
#82835From: Vic WagnerDec 27, 1992 3:54 PM
John, I think the price of expensive netwroking is built in to the Macs.
#82625From: BILL LEACHDec 25, 1992 8:14 AM
John; Yes, I've noticed! It will be real interesting to see what happens to Unix now that Novell is controlling. Happy Holidays to you and yours, -bill
#82650From: Brian CowanDec 25, 1992 3:36 PM
Ah, but novell doesn't control unix. No more than C= controls it. Too many people out there hacking things onto unix for that to happen. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#82698From: BILL LEACHDec 26, 1992 7:03 AM
Lets just hope it stays that way! How awful if it should become a closed wholely proprietary system. -bill
#82723From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 26, 1992 3:16 PM
It "controls" (or will control, I guess) it to a greater extent than Commodore. Novell just signed a letter of intent to buy AT&T's share of USL. Steve
#82716From: SyndesisDec 26, 1992 1:05 PM
I heard about that buy-out, too – quite interesting! Do you think this means Novell will give up on its own network technology, and adopt something more universal? 🙂
#82799From: BILL LEACHDec 27, 1992 8:58 AM
John; If your product was the number one PC networking product, would you dump it? -bill
#82722From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPDec 26, 1992 3:15 PM
I bet the first thing that happens is that Novell drivers go into ESMP (which should be available in a year or so). Steve
#82800From: BILL LEACHDec 27, 1992 8:58 AM
Steve; I realize that I'm probably marking myself as a real LAN dult but what is ESMP? -bill
#82551From: Brian CowanDec 24, 1992 3:16 PM
Novell, of course. They provide TCP/IP — mostly so you can use routers and hubs with SNMP agents (for LAN management), but if you want to use NFS, you must pay for the priveledge. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#82627From: BILL LEACHDec 25, 1992 8:14 AM
Happy Holidays Brian, -bill
#82649From: Brian CowanDec 25, 1992 3:36 PM
Thanks, and the same for you, // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#82087From: Jerry ThompsonDec 21, 1992 10:22 AM
How much is Oxxi's Novell Client software? -Jerry Thompson Truevision Developer Marketing
#82181From: Gordon CunninghamDec 22, 1992 12:21 AM
Currently Oxxi is the only place you can get it, and they sell on a per Amiga node connecting to the network basis. That is, you must purchase a key for each concurrent Amiga connection to the Novell server. Pricing when I bought mine was $199 for a single node. The schedule is as follows (from Oxxi's summer/fall 1992 UPDATE): 5 Amiga clients – $499 10 for $899 20 for $1299 50 for $1799 100 for $2999 I bought the single because I only have one Amiga to hook into the net… Wish there was a decent solution for the 500/600/1200 on the network – like an Arcnet or Ethernet board for them… They'd make great little workstations, which is where I believe the Amiga should be heading. The other short-coming is the software not being network-aware…
#82296From: Frank RogelDec 22, 1992 9:03 PM
Well my thought on this and I don't know is I wonder if you could use one of the new PICMIA cards for a PC in the Amiga PCMIA (whatever those letters are) slot. If you can then you have just about any network interface that you would want. Anyone have an idea on this?
#82581From: Vic WagnerDec 24, 1992 8:00 PM
Frank, As soon as some drivers get written for those PCMCIA cards, things will work as you suggest.
#82387From: Jerry ThompsonDec 23, 1992 9:09 AM
Thanks Gordon. I was hoping for a price schedule along the lines of >5 Amiga clients – $499 >10 for $899 >20 for $1299 >50 for $1799 >100 for $2999 1 node for people who just have one Amiga that they want to connect to their network at work but their employer won't buy them a copy because it is not an officially supported system by the MIS dept.: $29 -Jerry Thompson