#1.5 ROMS ON 4000'S
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This may sound stupid, but I need to run my software on 1.5 roms. When
distributing systems, I have been replacing the 2.0 roms with 1.5. Since I
have no plans to redevelope this particular package under 2.0, I must continue
this practice.
However, 2000's are becomming rare. Does anyone know if 1.5 roms will work
properly on the 4000's motherboard?
– thanks
1.5 ROMs will not work on the A4000 because there are no such things.
Presumably you mean 1.3. They won't work either. Even if you could get
ROMs in the right format (A4000 uses two ROMs for 32-bit access), you'd
loose HD access, you'd loose AGA functionality (and you may not be able to
get any video out of an AGA machine without 3.x, but I'm not entirely
sure).
What software are you so stuck to that refuses to work under an operating
system less than five years old?
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Thanks for the info Dale, The software in question was developed for / by us
for an industrial market niche. We are currently porting it to *WINDOWS* due
to marketing pressures etc. However, we still are marketing the product until
the new release is ready.
The system runs in the 2.xx environment, for a while. Problems to resolve:
Dialog boxes which we use for error handling do not appear
The screen refresh system when switching windows is slowwwww and the
customers with the older version complain about these 1/2 second delays.
I'm looking for the least expensive solution to this temporary problem. If you
have any ideas, I would appreciate the input. (Note: Program mods are my last
resort since the code has not been opened in 3 years, and the development team
is busy with the windows port)…..
So you're abandoning the Amiga as soon as your Windows version goes into
production, you only work under 1.3, and you can't get any new A2000/3000s
(I'm assuming that A500/600 isn't an option for you).
How long until your Windows version goes into production? If not long,
you might consider buying up used A2000s or A3000s — set a price you are
willing to pay and post that to the nets and see if you get a response.
If your Windows version won't be ready soon enough for used machines to be
a reasonable stop-gap measure, I'd say you'd better open up the code. Not
that you have much choice.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Dale, (Mr. Larson)!
No more time on your hands? Good for you, in the good sense.
What's "Intangible Assets Manufacturing"?
I posted a question called "Leftovers" in the "C Programming" (or "General
Programming") section. If you can, I would most appreciate having you look at
it. If you have time. Please?
I'm from the A1000 days but just bought a 4000. Screamin' box!
Thanks in advance for your time.
Andre Charron
Intangible Assets Manufacturing is my company.
As far as your programming question, one disadvantage of using AP is that
it doesn't (as far as I can tell) easily allow you to go back and read
messages you've already past. I didn't select "Leftovers" when it went
by, so it's not in my history file, so I don't know what your question
was…
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Dale,
Thank you most kindly for responding. I promise not to make a habit of this;
(asking you for help) but I inherited a problem that's really got me this time.
Works like this:
We open on a high resolution, interlaced, 4 bitplane double buffered screen,
(with a window) load custom bitmaps and then display and animate bobs. A some
point we need to remove a bob but when we do, the bob remaining on the screen
has some "leftover" imagery remaining. The bob itself is fine (undamaged) and
continues to move around properly but there remains, at the location the bob
was when the other was removed, well, leftovers. This imagery flashes on and
off at about 1 Hz. If we replace the bitbap the leftover is eliminated but this
is not a solution.
When removing the first bob, we RemIBob(), SortGList() the list and DrawGList()
it twice (for the double buffering). Tried WaitBlit() followed by Delay() since
we know that WaitBlit() returns when the blitter has only started it's final
blit. No avail. 🙁
Are we going about this the right way? Leaving something out?
Thanks bunches in advance for your time.
Andre Charron 72614,1544
I'm not a graphics guy, so I couldn't give you an answer myself. You left
out imporant (to someone in the know) information about what machine, chip
revs, OS, etc.
INTERNET:kcd@cbmvax.commodore.com might be able to help you as he is a
graphics Sofware Engineer at Commodore, just remember that he's also real
busy.
— Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing
— INTERNET:dale@iam.com
Amiga 2000s are "becoming rare"? As compared to Amiga 4000s? No way.
Would this be the Same John Foust, University of Wisconsin Madison, 1982- ?
If so, I would expect no less than a reply whos goal was to *flame* rather than
to help. Never the less, thanks for responding, good to hear from you again.
Oh, If you have a source for *new, in the box, warranteed 2000's* please
forward it to me. Although the 2000 is a robust wonderful machine, with a huge
installation base (at least compared to the 4000) my customers will not accept
anything but new equipment.
– Ken Gendrich, The Cadcrete Company
– CIS: 73633,446
Yup, that's me. I didn't intend to flame – your original posting did not lead
me to the conclusion that you were looking for new, warranteed A2000s. Your
customers want new equipment, but will settle for unsupported, out-dated
software?
What is 'Cadcrete?' Where is it? I continued to live in Madison until a year
ago, when I moved to a little town between Madison and Milwaukee. I've been
self-employed writing software on several platforms since 1986…
John;
Sorry (in advance) if I responded in that "tone of voice". The software (to my
customers) is not out-of-date since it provides an enormous amount of
functionality in comparison to my competitors, and to my customers' previous
approach. I am not at all unhappy with the product, and it is extremely
robust. I do, however, wish to continue to be the leader in our industry
regarding inovation and product enhancement. Unfortunately, the Amiga Platform
is no longer the platform of choice. This is primarily a marketing / customer
perception issue. We are moving this portion of our product line to the Intel
/ Windows platform where the rest or product line lives.
Side Note: The AMIGA XX00 line has been the most consistant / robust product
line that we have serviced in the last 7 years. The system software, hardware,
firmware in these products outperform and outlast the IBM / PC products. I
could probably force out market to continue to accept this platform, but my
desire to survive overcomes my desire to be loyal (sorry) to the AMIGA
platform.
Cadcrete : (C)omputer (A)ssisted (D)ispatch for the Concrete Industry
Sales/Support/Administration : Murfreesboro, TN
Development : Evergreen, Co
Date of Inception : 1986
We began our product line with real time dispatching and truck tracking. The
Amiga provided a GUI / intuitive interface with preemptive mutlitasking, which
we needed and that the IBM world did not even come close to providing.
However, the Novell NOS and database management tools surpassed any AMIGA
based products available. So, we married a DOS app on top of the Novell File
System for a robust database environment with AMIGA DOS 1.3
for our user interface and real time system. (Derek Zahn wrote most of the
Amiga code). Now, however, we want a homogeneous system built on top of a
strong operating system, strong Network Operating System, strong database
environment, and Strong GUI. This is a challenge, let me tell you…. There
are so many parts out there, but no heros…. yet.
So, that's the story, glad to hear from you again. I am planning on posting
some
detailed messages regarding my quest for this utlimate environment. I would
appreciate any input that you may have…..
– Keep in touch, ken
Ken;
Little doubt that you have not already done so but just to be sure… have
you looked closely at OS/2? With your application, task protection is
probably quite important.
-bill
Bill;
Ah yes OS/2, yet another operating system. I have looked at 0S/2, but not
"closely" as you recommend (it's still shrinkwrapped <g>). There is a mature
heated debate (everywhere) regarding which platform to choose (with the proper
foresight). There is also an attempt by many to build platform generic apps so
they can change their mind right up to release date. Since we wish to minimize
our development time / cycle (I can only assume), and get products completed
and out the door (with the proper maintenance tools in place) , it seems that
we need to identify the tools available for such a task, and consider the OS /
NOS / DBMS platform as carefully as we have choosen COMPILERS and LIBRARIES in
the past. Of course, the problem will always be that each year , the entire
game seems to change….
– thanks for the help
– oo
– ken
Ken;
I suppose that the reasons that I mention OS/2 are mulitple. However, a
very large percentage of the folks that I know around here are running
OS/2. They have a great deal to say about how badly the computer press is
treating OS/2 (sound familiar guys?).
Several of these people are dos box gurus that write software for a living
and have extensive experience with DOS, Windoz, OS/2, and a more than
passing familiarity with NT. Several are also experienced with Unix, VMS,
SunOS and yes even AmigaDOS. The are consistant in their opinions
concerning the quality of the OS when comparing OS/2 to either Windoz or
WNT.
-bill
I'll second that opinion of OS/2!
(My company is also going straight OS/2 on PC's)
Bob Comer — Flying high and fast with my A1200HD'030 on Autopilot!
From Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
Darn it! Bob beat me to it! I guess I'll 'third' that OS/2 comment.
Robb
Thanks Rob et all
ok, at the very least, I'll remove the shrink wrap and haul out the disks,
install OS2 and skip the sleep part.
– ken
Sleep? What is sleep?
-bill
Actually, with OS/2 2.?, you may not lose as much sleep as you think.
Robb
"Thirding" is better than not getting a word in at all <g>
I have noticed that the more experience that someone seems to have with
advanced operating systems the more likely they are to favor OS/2 over
things like Windoz or WNT.
-bill
Looking at it from a 'systems' point of view, I'd have to agree with you
again. OS/2 actually is put together pretty well. Although, I've had
experience with alot of platforms I still have only read/talked about
Windoze-Not Today so, I guess I have to reserve judgement there.
Looking at OS/2 from a user's perspective however, is another matter. What
do you need all that hardware for (NT needs more, obviously) if Windoz'll
run it?
Robb