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#OS/2 w/ 3DS 3

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#69529From: Doug AzzaritoDec 3, 1993 9:39 AM
> I think for now I'll go with Dual Boot and FAT. If I really get > turned on by OS/2, then it should be a labor of love to convert to > Boot Mgr and HPFS in the future! <g> Good choice – Dual Boot is a no-brainer, and if you never end up going back to DOS, you can convert later (besides, you'll learn so much about OS/2, you'll want to install it again to do things "right" 🙂 By the time you're ready to re-install, my book, "OS/2 For Everyone" should be on the shelves (published by John Wiley & co.) — Doug Azzarito
#69721From: Carl FinchDec 4, 1993 12:52 AM
>> Good choice – Dual Boot is a no-brainer << Oh good, that's my favorite M.O.–at least what I'm most accomplished at. <g> >> my book, "OS/2 For Everyone" should be on the shelves (published by John Wiley & co.) << Hey, GREAT! I wish you much success!
#69876From: Tim PiscitelliDec 5, 1993 1:41 PM
I have just installed OS2 on a system with an Orchid P9000, and am still struggling with getting them to work together. Does anyone have any experience with the P9000, OS2 and 3DSR3?
#70097From: Carl FinchDec 7, 1993 3:27 AM
>> any experience with the P9000, OS2 and 3DSR3? << I don't (I'm thrashing around with my new Graphite and still dickering to BUY OS/2 2.1). Maybe Doug Azzarito or others will see your message.
#70145From: Doug AzzaritoDec 7, 1993 10:09 AM
> Does anyone have any experience with the P9000, OS2 and 3DSR3? The P9000 is an excellent chipset, and the OS/2 drivers work fine (as long as you have the latest drivers – check with Orchid or Weitek). I think Diamond was doing more work on P9000 drivers than anyone, but I don't know if their drivers will work on the Orchid card. As for using 3DS with that combo, I never tried. My next card will probably be a P9000, but I don't have one now. Once you get the P9000 working under OS/2, 3DS should fall in line nicely. — Doug Azzarito
#70177From: James TichenorDec 7, 1993 12:51 PM
Hi Tim, I'm using both 3DS and OS/2 and a Viper VLB P9000 video accelerator. Can I help out? James
#70329From: yann bertaudDec 8, 1993 11:00 AM
Well, guess what, I succumbed to the temptation of OS/2 yesterday. I went ahead and bought OS/2 for windows and will be installing it this morning after my hard drive is totally backed up. <g> If I have any questions I'll be sure to ask you for help. What's your phone number? <g> Maybe I can help you with AutoCAD or 3d studio stuff. Right now I'm just going to experiment with it. Do you know if I can render to my targa + card from 3ds in a dos shell? What about AutoCAD and my Targa +. This should make for some interesting experiments. <g> If all this works then I might consider using it in a production environment. I'll be in touch <g>. Yann Bertaud – VPG, Autodesk. PS: can you give me hints as to what to do and what not to do to run 3ds and AutoCAD.
#70363From: James TichenorDec 8, 1993 2:52 PM
Hello Yann, Well, after all that! <g> Good luck, cuz you'll need it! Just teasing (sort of). But definitely drop me a line if you need a hand. I can't promise miricles (or spelling), but we all should be able to chip in something. As for running Targa+, it should be a snap. In the preferences for 3DS in OS/2 (right-click on the 3DS icon, then click on the arrow next to OPEN. Choose SETTINGS), there is a section called SESSION. Click on that leaf, which will open that page in the notebook (pretty fancy, huh). In there you'll see a button called DOS_SETTINGS. Click that and you'll find a whole list of configurable settings for each dos session. For the 3DS one, you would have it load the Targa+ device drivers, using the DOS_DEVICE line. Hilite that and you'lll see a window on the right that is empty. Simply type in there the targa+ DEVICE= commands, just as you would in the dos CONFIG.SYS file. Consider this space each sessions own personal CONFIG file. Once those are in, click on SAVE at the bottom of the main SESSION window. Then click in the top lefthand corner of the remaining SETTINGS window. I'm not sure if I'm talking down to you here. I think you'll find once you find one thing, it'll all fall into place down the line (OOP!). Anyway, the next step is to load up the AUTOEXEC.BAT file with your SET RADPDI= (? I can't remember it's been a while since I used this!) – whatever the command… Now each DOS SESSION can run it's own AUTOEXEC.BAT. You could simply place the SET call in the general AUTOEXEC in the root dir, but then every DOS session that uses that BAT file will SET RDPADI, and visa versa. Anyway, simply create or edit the AUTOEXEC.BAT file, using the OS/2 SYSTEM EDITOR in the PRODUCTIVITY FOLDER. Place the customized 3DS AUTOEXEC in the 3DS subdir. Go back into the settings of 3DS (right click on the icon, etc). You'll see another line that reads DOS_AUTOEXEC. Hilite that and you have a space to type the full path to this new AUTOEXEC.BAT file. When you launch 3ds, you will now get the DEVICE drivers (hopefully) and the AUTOEXEC.BAT will launch with it. And remember, every program can be run like this – in it's own virtual machine, with it's own settings. Well, are you sorry you asked? <g> James
#70399From: yann bertaudDec 8, 1993 5:37 PM
I'm regretting it already, I feel like I'm part of the Apple commercial which shows a mac user trying to install stuff vs a DOS user trying to install stuff. I haven't even gotten to the point where OS/2 is running. I'm still trying to install properly. We got the cd-rom version and realized (after about an hour) that it wouldn't work with the internal drive shipping with our gateway machine, it's not a SCSI drive. Fortunately, it does have a scsi controller so I hooked up a texel external drive to it. Then we had to find the ultrastor drivers. Once we got that figured out we were able to run part of the install program. After rebooting to continue installing, my monitor looked like it was unable to sync to the graphics card. After a bit of dincking around and rereading the install manual, I found that the install is slightly different if you have an ATI ultra pro. You have to setup the ati to powerup in VGA 640×480 at 60hz. The install then proceded succesfully, or so I thought. Now when I reboot, the machine locks up at the OS/2 logo. I'm on hold right now (for the third time) with IBM tech support. I still haven't talked to a technician. I think that I might have configured for the wrong video driver and I have no clue as to how to reconfigure it without being in the OS/2 windows evironment. I already don't like it, their support sucks so far. I think I'm gonna go on the OS/2 forum and see if I can't get any help there. This where I stand right now, let you know how's it goin tomorow. Yann Bertaud – VPG, Autodesk.
#70413From: James TichenorDec 8, 1993 7:31 PM
Yann, WELCOME TO OS/2!!!! Ha ha! <gggg> You sound just like me! Exactly! I'm sorry to take such glee in anothers pain, but this is just so typical of OS/2. If you stick with it, you can decide if it's worth it. I had probs with both CD-ROM and Display. Try OS/2 Forum, although I've found they've gotten slower. The tech support used to be better, and sometimes, you get lucky and find someone who actually cares and knows something – good conbination. What message do you get at the LOGO screen lockup? Is it "BIOS detected incompatible driver. System halted."? I got this same message, and it was my SCSI driver. Let me know, and I'll go into it further. James
#70576From: yann bertaudDec 9, 1993 2:18 PM
Doesn't matter anymore, I gave up last night after spending 12 hours yesterday trying to get this thing to work. I am now back to good ole DOS and windows. Much easier to setup. Tell ya though, I'm really glad I backed up my whole system, 'cause OS/2 really screwed up a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe it works great once installed, but it is a major pain to install, let alone to get it to work. This is not for the faint at heart, I consider myself pretty good at dealing with hardware and software issues, I basically do it everyday, dealing with various networks and OSs and computers, but I would definitely not recommend trying this to anyone who doesn't know their system to well. I might try installing it again when I have more time. I just wasted a whole day yesterday on this so, I figure when we slow down a bit, I might try. For now, I'm staying away from it. Yann Bertaud – VPG, Autodesk.
#70674From: James TichenorDec 9, 1993 11:30 PM
That's too bad. I need someone else to be around for help! <g> And also, it's fun helping others… But oh well, it's almost at the point where I'm thinking of the options: OS/2 – $150, a couple books $75, LD calling $10, CIS costs (for all the advice and messages) $20, possible new SCSI card $300, hours and hours of fiddling and lost time $150 at least, and miscell $25. That's about $725. I could probably have bought a used 286 or 386 for modem and writing while the other computer is rendering – multitasking without hassles, headaches, swearing, frustration and it sure to succeed!…
#70769From: yann bertaudDec 10, 1993 12:14 PM
>> I could probably have bought a used 286 or 386 for modem and writing while the other computer is rendering – multitasking without hassles, headaches, swearing, frustration and it sure to succeed!… There ya go, that's the way to go. Besides, the more hardware you have surrounding you the more radiation benefits you get. <g> Yann Bertaud – VPG, Autodesk.
#70991From: Bailey BrownDec 11, 1993 10:00 PM
>> I could probably have bought a used 286 or 386 for modem and writing I tried that with my old 386sx/16 machine. I bought A/B switches and cables for the modem, keyboard, and monitor. If the monitor switch had worked with my NEC 4FG, I would have stuck with it. It didn't, and the old crappy vga monitor on the 386sx drove me bannanas so I got OS/2. I also found that my 486DX2/66 is a reasonably fast Windows machine when running 3DS in the background under OS/2. It feels like at least a 486/33, while the 386sx/16 felt like a 386sx/16. Bailey
#70418From: Jim Giliberti [IBM]Dec 8, 1993 7:51 PM
> I think I'm gonna go on the OS/2 forum and see if I can't get any > help there. And if you find you STILL are not getting satisfaction, drop me a note. We aim to please…. JimmyG – Manager OS/2 Graphics Development
#70584From: yann bertaudDec 9, 1993 2:31 PM
Well, if and when I decide to try and install again, I'll be sure to drop you a note. Don't get me wrong, I would love to try and run it, but after yesterday's frustrating install, I just wasn't ready to try again. I've got projects to work on, and unfortunately don't have the time to try it again for a while.
#70427From: John SchmidtDec 8, 1993 8:43 PM
Yann, You might also want to try GO GATEWAY; I've noticed a lot of people talking about OS/2 setup on Gateways there. BTW, I finally got those polyhedrons uploaded; have you checked them out yet? (POLYNS.ZIP) John
#70567From: Bailey BrownDec 9, 1993 11:40 AM
Yann, >> like the Apple commercial…. Remember, you are installing an OS, not an application<G>. If they ever do port MacOS to the Intel platform, I bet it will be harder to install than OS/2. It is a big peeve of mine that OS/2 requires you to change display modes from a GUI screen. So if you inadvertantly set the display mode to something your card or monitor can't really handle, then you are probably hosed because you can't run the GUI to change it back. I did this once, but fortunately I was able to see enough on the out-of-sync display to switch the driver back. Most people aren't this lucky. At least Windows lets you change display drivers from a text mode dos program, and even by editing system.ini. I think IBM has a complex about DOS. Why not make DOS the bootstrap loader for OS/2 (and why is MS trying to get rid of DOS for Windows 4.0)? It would be alot easier to deal with problems with OS/2 if the machine would go through a dos boot first and let you hit a key to abort the loading of OS/2. Then they could have dos utilities for modifying/repairing OS/2. The way they have it now, if OS/2 is hosed, you have to boot off two foppies, which seems to take about ten minutes, and then there's not a whole lot you can do. Also, if the OS/2 installation program were dos-based, then you could install OS/2 from any old CD that you were able to use under DOS. I hate running bare dos on a system, and I am now an OS/2 true believer, but I think DOS is a useful least common denominator and that OS/2 (and the Unix vendors for that matter) should look into taking advantage of this. It's too bad it looks like MS is giving this up for Win 4.0. Bailey
#70577From: yann bertaudDec 9, 1993 2:28 PM
I reallize that I was trying to load an OS not an application. I just didn't expect it to be so painful. It doesn't matter now, since I gave up on it last night. I totally agree with all your points. I couldn't believe that the tech support person told me that I had to run through the whole install process to change the display driver. I can't imagine doing that if I had gotten the floppy version instead of the CDRom version. Needless to say, I was pretty po'd by the end of the day, as the tech person just wasn't helpful. She was supposed to have faxed me some stuff on trying to do it from DOS but I never got it. Waiting on the phone for half an hour three times is just not my cup of tea, I can think of better things to be doing. Anyway, I think I've let off enough steam about this whole thing, so I won't talk about it anymore. Yann Bertaud – VPG, Autodesk.
#70343From: Tim PiscitelliDec 8, 1993 12:26 PM
I'v talked to Orchid and they say that new P9000 drivers will be out about the first week of Jan. I think I'll have to wait until then to push beyond what I've got so far. Tim
#70364From: James TichenorDec 8, 1993 2:52 PM
Thanks Tim, but I'm running the Diamond P9000 card. I should call and find out what's happening with them. James