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#Tape backup ?

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#123813From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 3, 1993 6:21 PM
Recently I bought and installed a tape backup for my IBM clone computer. Cost was around $260. Would like to have tape backup for our Amiga 2000 – as we run the rather huge Toaster program – with lots of Framestores. Can anyone tell me if there is a tape backup for the Amiga 2000 and, if so what is the street price for such an item ? Thanks, Hilary.
#123818From: Michael GerardDec 3, 1993 8:25 PM
Hilary, You can use just about any scsi tape drive. I have an Archive Viper on my A3000. QuarterBack and AmiBack both support backups to tape drives.
#124073From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 6, 1993 10:10 AM
Thanks for the good news Michael. I suppose that from the physical aspects, all I have to do is to get myself a tape backup drive with SCSI control – pop it into my open front 5.5" open slot, the get a "daisy chain" type cable – and parallel it up with my present hard drive – which is SCSI ? I am running QUARTERBACK (Ver 5.0) and am expecting their latest update anytime. What do I do exactly to get Ye Olde 2000 to accept the tape drive as a member of the family? Will there be any complications on boot-up? The mechanics do not present any problem to me, but I am somewhat blind when it comes to re-arranging software. Hilary.
#124074From: Michael GerardDec 6, 1993 10:44 AM
>>What do I do exactly to get Ye Olde 2000 to accept the tape drive as a member of the family?<< Just set the SCSI ID# on the tape drive to an unused # and make sure the termination is correct. When the Amiga boots, it scans the scsi bus looking for devices, and as long as each device has a unique scsi address and is terminated properly, it will recognize the device. The only problem you may run in to on an internal installation is that since power will always be on, you may need to keep a tape in the drive. I have my tape drive mounted externally in a box with my CD ROM drive, and it remains powered off on boot up unless I'm going to be using one of the devices; without power, the devices are invisible to the system… but if they are powered on during boot up, they 'may' confuse the system if no media is present.
#124197From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 7, 1993 6:51 PM
Thanks very much for the explanation Michael. I am trying to find SCSI type tape backup drives – so far no luck in looking thru' the usual intake of catalogs. Secondly, I wonder about the price? The one I use on my 386 PC cost me between 200 and 300 bucks. Have some faint idea that anything I try and get for the Amiga will cost an arm and a leg! If tape backup drives for the Amiga come out as more costly than for the PC., then probably the best route I can take is to forget tape, and buy myself another larger hard drive – the use it just for backups. What do you think? Regards, Hilary
#124251From: Erik FlomDec 7, 1993 10:57 PM
Hilary: I've been watching DAT backup prices, and you can now buy a brand new external DAT drive in a very nice case for only $750.00. The company name is APS, and they are very reputable. I've ordered several thousand dollars worth of perpherals from them, and never had a problem. You can find their ads in the back of most PC and Mac mags. DAT drives are nice because you can use them with TapeWorm-FS as a huge storage media for rendered Framestores from your Toaster. (It makes the tape drive look like a hard drive to Lightwave….Pretty cool.) Since it's a SCSI device, you can use it on your IBMs and Macs too…. Erik Flom
#124366From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 8, 1993 6:58 PM
Hello good friend Erik. Just cannot understand why my tape backup for my 386 PC. cost me around $260, while similar system for the Amiga are double to treble that price. For around the $700 mark, I could buy myself a couple of 250 Meg hard drives, and use one or both for backup. I most certainly am NOT going to shell out $750 for a somewhat simple tape backup. It does not make any sense. Have though also about "plug-in" hard drives. Quite a fe advertised in "Computer Shopper". The drawer and electrics are around $100. You provide the drive. Anyhow…. I am still pondering and open for suggestions. Hilary.
#124392From: gary ludwickDec 8, 1993 9:27 PM
Computer shopper has some very good suppliers, but they don't list a lot of SCSI…since IDE and these special format things are so popular on the IBM's. But they stock 'em. Just call a couple of the hard drive specialist companies and ask for SCSI tape units – without any PC interface card,etc. I think you'll find what you want at decent 300-400 prices. Gary on AutoPilot from Charlotte, NC
#124553From: Jim SteeleDec 9, 1993 9:23 PM
I saw a list of several sizes of SCSI tape drives in the latest D&H catalog. They're a distributor, so I guess most dealers would have heard of them. -Jim
#124498From: Erik FlomDec 9, 1993 12:18 PM
I think the reason the tape backups are so expensive is the same reason that network cards cost so much. Until recently, there was no demand for these products in the Amiga market. With low sales, the developers have to recoup their costs by charging more. (….resulting in fewer sales, etc. :^) Your primary concern should be how much data you need to back up. It's alot easier to back all your stuff up at once, rather than have a hodge-podge of backups. With everything on one or two tapes, it's much cheaper to recover data when needed. However, if you only have a need to backup a few hundred megabytes, once a year, then there's a good chance you don't need something as fancy as a DAT drive. Have you considered the 128MB Magneto-Opticals? Virtually indestructable media, cheap, and they double as a slow hard drive too…… Good Luck! Erik Flom
#124625From: Gerald BonnstetterDec 10, 1993 7:26 AM
First,don't buy an extra drive or two and think you have a good data backup system. You'll only have a partial protection backup system. You will have protected yourself from the failure of one hard disk and you may have protected yourself from most program and user errors, but not all of them. You'll have covered most of the bases but left yourself wide open on the rest. You'll have no protection from fire, theft, floods and similar such total system failures. A big power surge could blast the hard disks along with the computer. Also if your computers power supply blowes up it can easily take out the hard disks to. You'll also have to be very carefull doing backups and restores because you'll only have one (two?) backups. Remember that hard disks don't come with write protect tabs. Also when you end up wanting more disk space you'll need to stay at double the disk capacity or buy some sort of backup system then. You can get an IBM PC only tape drive cheaper because the interface to a floppy controller is a bit simpler. But mostly because they can sell zillions more tape drives to IBM PC folks compared to the market for SCSI tape drives. So it comes down to being mostly an economy of scale issue.
#124299From: Michael GerardDec 8, 1993 8:21 AM
Hilary, Call Moonlighter Software and ask ig they have any Archive Viper drives left… or anything similar…. they were selling them for around $350 which included AmiBack 2.0. (That's the system I have)
#124758From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 11, 1993 3:18 PM
That price is certainly more in line with what I am willing to pay. Have you an address – phone number – FAX number of Moonlighter. Cannot seem to find them in my curtrent Amiga magazines. Thanks for your suggestion and help Michael. Regards, Hilary.
#124774From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPDec 11, 1993 7:06 PM
Moonlighter Software Development, Inc. 3208-C E. Colonial Drive Suite 204 Orlando, FL 32803 407-384-9484 fax: 384-9391
#125411From: Hilary SzymanowskiDec 17, 1993 6:45 PM
Thanks for the address Michael. Will send them an enquiry by FAX. Have a good – shooting free – Xmas. Am now in process of upgrading my IBM clone from a 386 to a 486, so will be "off the air" on CIS for a few days. Hilary.
#124165From: BILL LEACHDec 7, 1993 11:45 AM
Hilary; I would recommend that you set the tape's scsi id to 4 as that is the "standard address" for the Ami. The BRUtab for example already has the tape defined at that address. So do the configuration files of many commercial, shareware and freeware tape handling programs. On the machines that I have that have tape drives, I boot them both ways (drive powered up or drive powered down). I almost NEVER have a tape just sitting in the drive as that confounded "seek to load point" that the tape drives do each time the machine reboots drives me nuts. -bill
#124418From: Wayne ColeDec 8, 1993 11:58 PM
Hilary, some straming tape backups will require that you disable SCSI disconnect. But this will be called for if you notice lots of errors when trying to back-up to tape or when trying to access another drive while the tape is being accessed. wmc – via Autopilot!
#123824From: Christopher TolmieDec 3, 1993 9:05 PM
Hilary, I've been using a Wangtek 5150ES for sometime now. First I used Tapestore That was provided by GVP when I purchased the mechanism. Now I use AmiBack. Can't say what the cost is these days for the drive, but the tapes can be had for around $19-21 a piece, plus you can use 250MB tapes besides the 150MB ones. Chris
#123859From: Wayne ColeDec 4, 1993 3:10 AM
Hillary, There are tape backups for the Amiga, a CBM version (discontinued, I believe) and the Touchdown 100 from Central coast are the most common. I have recently upgraded to DAT, so my TD 100 and 23 tapes are available for $600. Three or four tapes are still in the wrappers the others were used only one to 3 times. They are all the 150 meg DC6150 variety although the drive can handle the 250meg variety. If you are intrested, let me know via EMail soon as I will be out of the country and off-line from Dec 11 to Jan 12. wmc – via Autopilot!
#124289From: Gerald BonnstetterDec 8, 1993 7:17 AM
Hilary, As the others have said, any SCSI tape drive should work. You cannot use the tape drives that hook to a floppy or parallel ports unless they are specifically made for the Amiga, but those types are usually slower anyway so they are not a good idea. You can pickup a copy of Computer Shopper to get the latest prices. From my July copy one add listed 250 Mb tape drives for around $400 internal or $500 external. Some DAT drives are listed as 2.0 Gb for $1050 and a 4.0 Gb for $1279. There were about 30 pages of ads with tape drives for sale in this shopper and I just picked one ad at random so shop around for better prices. You might pick a few tape drives that look good to you price and size wise and then ask us another question about those brands. Do consider how much you need to backup at one time before picking a tape drive size. You'll do your backups more often if everything fits on one tape. Also the cost of tapes is not trivial. The 250 Mb tapes run about $20 each and DAT tapes cost about $10-15 each but hold much more. You also need more than one backup tape to be safe. I speak from experience when I say that it's no fun to find out during a backup that your hard disk has become corrupted. Luckly I had a good backup plan that included a good quantity of tapes so my data was safe. // \X/ Amiga or bust! Gary Bonnstetter, Bonnsoft