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#71323From: Real MaxwellDec 14, 1993 5:45 AM
This request was posted by another person but I found no further messages on the subject. I need a source of animations accepted in court as evidence. I am in Jackson, MS and y'all may have noticed but this area has a slight reputation as being "resistant to change". The Insurance, Legal & Law Enforcement folks here need proof that I did not create 3dStudio for my own enjoyment as well as proof that I am not the only person who has ever made "cartoons on a computer". It is as frustating as it sounds, is there a legal forum with this information? I copied down the info from R2's CD ( /forensic ) but I don't remember it mentioning which state. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
#71347From: Fred GoldenDec 14, 1993 9:52 AM
I was probably the person that posted the original message. I am looking to set up a national company with local offices doing quality forensic animations. Might you have an interest?
#71359From: Yost GroupDec 14, 1993 10:52 AM
Alec Jason is active doing forensic animations with 3ds (specializing in ballistics). He's on this forum a lot, so perhaps he'll see this message and contact you. Unfortunately, the person at Autodesk who handles forensic animation is on sabbatical. You might try contacting him when he gets back in, I believe, February. He's Andy Reese, and his number is 415-332-8614. There are some other people doing legal animations with 3ds on this forum, so you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding enough "witnesses." ('course most of the rest of us are doing cartoons. <g>) – Jack
#71374From: Yost GroupDec 14, 1993 11:07 AM
Well, Alec Jason is regularly here on the forum, and he's had plenty of animations accepted as legal evidence. Ken Loss-Cutler occasionally drops in as well, and he also has had animations accepted as evidence. I think there's a legal forum here on CIS… you might look that up as well. Andy Reese is Autodesk forensic animation guy, but he's on vacation till the beginning of the year. You could try calling him after the 1st. – G
#71530From: alec jasonDec 15, 1993 12:51 AM
Gary, Yeah, I'm here. I just got back from two days on the witness stand in a homicide case in Alaska. We got the animation accepted which is the first computer animation ever used in a criminal trial in Alaska. Oh, I used to proudly state that I have never used the Morph function in 3DS. This is because I have associated morphing with all the metaphysical, sci-fi, flying-logo, weirdo, sur-real, fantasy, sissy stuff that most people think of as examples of 3D animation. But I did actually use morph very effectively in my Alaska animation to graphically represent the acoustic dynamics associated with gunshots. So I guess there _is_ a legitimate use for the morph feature! <g> Alec Jason
#71586From: Yost GroupDec 15, 1993 10:20 AM
Wow! You mean that morphing is actually USEFUL? Be still my beating heart. <g> Seriously, congratulations for pulling off another first. And in Alaska, no less! I'd love to see your animation… it's hard for me to imagine how you can represent the acoustic dynamics of ballistics. Shock waves? Very interesting, Mr. J. – G
#71600From: Yost GroupDec 15, 1993 10:40 AM
>>…all the metaphysical, sci-fi, flying-logo, weirdo, sur-real, fantasy, sissy stuff… Now I see why you wanted a way to globally set the Continuity to 0 in the Keyframer. Get rid of those soft, curving moves and stick with the hard, manly, robotlike action. – Jack
#71392From: Kathleen MaherDec 14, 1993 11:59 AM
Hi, I just happened to be lurking and I saw your message. Kelly Dove wrote an article in CADENCE (July 1993) on forensic animation. In it she describes two cases in which forensic animation was used in criminal cases. You might check with the people at Computer Graphic World as well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't have a story or two on the subject. — Kathleen
#71456From: John K. JordanDec 14, 1993 4:59 PM
Alec is the world renowned expert. He's in Alaska on a case but should be back tomorrow. His CIS ID is 71137,2632 if you want to drop him a note. Also check out the Sept 13th InfoWorld magazine. JKJ
#71464From: James LockDec 14, 1993 5:44 PM
Real Maxwell, I got in middle of this thread. We do forensic work with a specialization in traffic accident reconstruction. We have used 3DS in court to show the jury our reconstruction, driver views, etc. It is necessary to describe in some detail how to go from raw data to tv picture, but no long detailed thesis has been needed so far. We have had good results with 3DS in court and we prefer to refer to our images as a scientific visualization of our numerical reconstruction, since all motion is within the constraints of Newtonian reality <g>. James
#71529From: alec jasonDec 15, 1993 12:51 AM
I've been creating forensic animations for about two years. The forensic animation on the r2.0 CD is the animation I created for the the Mitchell Brothers homicide trial in California. I don't know who you are talking to but animation has been used in trials (mostly civil) for many years. I don't keep track of all the cases. You might check with the fellow who has been leaving messages on this forum collecting info on forensic animation uses. Alec Jason
#71735From: Andrew J. ReeseDec 15, 1993 7:43 PM
Real — As Gary and Jack from the Yost Group said, I am on sabbatical from Autodesk until next year, but I would be happy to talk to you on the phone about forensic animation. Call me at 707-778-6331. I mau be able to provide you with some information that will help you. andy
#71833From: Yost GroupDec 16, 1993 10:17 AM
You're supposed to be RELAXING! – J
#72119From: Andrew J. ReeseDec 17, 1993 11:06 AM
Since when have I ever been very good about relaxing??