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#VR in ATC's

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#72224From: Terence M. ShumakerDec 17, 1993 6:44 PM
Roger, We've got both the Sense8 Worldtoolkit, and Autodesk's CDK, plus a Spaceball navigation device. No HMD yet, still working on the funding. VR software and a navigation device will give you a "through the window" VR system. Just think of VR as the next step in the design process, that being the ability to move freely in, and around, your model. Great for all the standard things, architectural, interior designs, mechanical assemblies, industrial plant models. Also excellent for urban planning. In fact, perfect! Imagine building a variety of models of a new building, or park, then placing them on a site, then allowing members of a city council to take their own tour in, around, through and above, the new design. Don't like that one, try this one. This can all be done with a passive (non-interactive), through-the-window VR system. These concepts can be applied to many courses we teach right now to add a new dimension to our capabilities. Worldtoolkit requires a DXF file, whereas CDK can be launched by shelling out of ACAD. Shoe
#72248From: roger cussonDec 17, 1993 8:39 PM
Shoe…. Thanks for the ammunition on the VR approval process. Having both systems would you absolutely suggest going with CDK? I know I might get banished for this but…. I was more impressed with Sense 8. I also read an unofficial review which appeared here a few months ago that strongly suggested getting into Sense 8's WTK. Also the software was available up to hotter platforms like DEC-alpha and SGI. What do you think? Roger C@V
#72681From: Terence M. ShumakerDec 20, 1993 11:21 AM
Roger, I'm not the expert, but I think Sense8 is more dedicated to their product, since it is their only one. I don't get a good feel for Autodesk's committment to CDK. Bartz even said, "We'll see how it does on the market." Not a great rallying cry for one of your products if you ask me. I'd go with WTK. VR is their baby, and they've won awards for their software development. Shoe
#72765From: roger cussonDec 20, 1993 9:41 PM
Shoe… Thanks for the comments and advice…. Roger C@V
#72331From: Pat Vernon [ATC TM]Dec 18, 1993 10:00 AM
Terence, I see VR as a wonderful planning tool- as you describe-. The Windows version of the sense8 tool seems like a good direction for this year. Penn State is about to build a vr setup in their Arch. Lab. using aan SGI and the StereoGraphics glasses and a projection system. This way an entire class can put on glasses and critique a design. The HMD route was just to expensive, cumbersome and has problems with sanitation. Now in the College of engineering there is a project going on that I helped facilitate using the CDk to develop some AE lighting design software that is an Acad add-on.(or will be) Also seems that the HMD is not real comfortable for several hours of wearing. We need better 3d interfaces and a way to easily position the place your viewing from. I envision a clear globe with the model inside and anywhere I touch I get that Vpoint on the screen of the model. More later– Off to a wedding of a former student. He is about to enter a New kind of reality.<g> PAT
#72682From: Terence M. ShumakerDec 20, 1993 11:21 AM
Pat, The clear globe idea is interesting. HMDs have a lot of drawbacks, and I'm presently leaning to StereoGraphics glasses for our lab. I heard that using any HMD is like putting someone else's sneaker on your face. Shoe
#72766From: roger cussonDec 20, 1993 9:41 PM
Shoe…. I remember seeing something in the VR video festival called the cage or the cave. It looked the most interesting as there was no HMD but a sense of imersion as projectors displayed images around several large screens. The HMD that sense8 displayed at MEckler gave me little or no sense of imersion. Roger C@V
#73092From: Terence M. ShumakerDec 23, 1993 10:05 AM
Roger, Yes, the "Cave". It is interesting in that the virtual world is projected to surfaces on all sides – except rear – and many people wearing goggles can experience it. What HMD was Sense8 using? Was it the Virtual Research Eyegen3? Shoe
#73109From: roger cussonDec 23, 1993 11:06 AM
Shoe… I'd have to chack out the HMD unit they were using.. It might have been Virtual Research…The HMD was quite lightweight and non obtrusive. I also remember their logo a green VR embossed on the front of the unit. Also tracking control for head movement… Roger C@V