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#MagicWB problem!

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#125554From: Leslie T. BartiromoDec 19, 1993 1:37 PM
I just downloaded Magic Workbench. I double click in the "MagicWB.guide" icon and it says it can't find MultiView (I'm using an Amiga 2000 with AmigaDOS 2.1.) I go over to my A1200 and borrow the MulitView file, put it in the Magic Workbench directory and I get the message "Not Workbench 3.0." Okay. I unLha the Magic Workbench file on the A1200, make sure MultiView in in the same directory as MagicWB and I get the message "Unknown data type for MagicWB.guide." What's going on? I'm I doing something wrong? Can Magic Workbench be used on an A2000 with ADOS 2.1? I'm concerned about installing something that gives me so much trouble when simply reading the instructions.
#125578From: Brian BartlettDec 19, 1993 5:21 PM
Leslie, as you've found out, MultiView will not work with AmigaDOS 2.1 at all. This is not the fault of MagicWB, but of C= for having two completely different DOS'es on each end of the Atlantic. Perhaps we'll get AmigaDOS 3.1 over here, someday. To fix your problem you will need to change the default tool for any .guide files you run into from MulitView to AmigaGuide. To do this, select the icon by clicking on it once, then select Information from the Icons menu in Workbench. Click on the Default Tool line and change it from MultiView to AmigaGuide, then click on Save to save your change. There are a few differences between the two, but minor from our point of view. If you don't have AmigaGuide on your system, you can download it from here as AMIGAG.LHA. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#125588From: Leslie T. BartiromoDec 19, 1993 7:28 PM
Thanks very much for the info, Brian. I made the adjustments to the MagicWB.guide icon and all is okay. Have you used Magic Workbench? Have there been any problems with it? I don't have an interlace monitor yet, so will MagicWB work on a standard 640×200 non-lace screen?
#125626From: Brian BartlettDec 20, 1993 4:43 AM
Leslie, I'm using MagicWB on my souped up A2000 (25 MHz '030, 9MB RAM, Retina) and on an A500 (nothing addded beyond 2 MB Fast RAM). It works just fine on a 640×200 display, although the icons are, or course, twice the size they should be. As the A500 is mostly for use by my mother, it's just fine, although if you are serious about using MagicWB on a non-interlace machine, look at setting your workbench to a larger area. You can do this in the ScreenMode preferences program. If you turn on AutoScroll, by clicking on it, you should can get a pretty nice workspace without having to invest in a de-interlacer until you can afford it. One problem that some people have run into is that MagicWB can eat a lot of your CHIP (graphics) RAM due to its use of more bitplanes to describe the colors it uses. There's a patch in the libraries to fix the icons, although I don't know if it's necessary with the latest version of MagicWB. I'll have to look into that. Aside from that, so far there have been no other reported glitches that I'm aware of. I hope this helps. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#125682From: Leslie T. BartiromoDec 20, 1993 4:59 PM
My 2000 origionally had 512K but I instaled a MegAChip so I now have 2 meg of chip RAM (plus 4 meg 32-bit RAM and 8 meg of 16-bit RAM.) Memory shouldn't be a problem. One more question, if I may. Naturally, not ALL the icons are going to be converted. How do the non-converted icons look on the MagicWB screen?
#125745From: Brian BartlettDec 21, 1993 2:09 AM
Leslie, the non-converted icons do stand out as they are not up to par with the MagicWB icons. If you'll nose around in the libraries, you'll see icon files popping up. I found a pretty lovely AutoPilot icon in one. You'll find though, as you go through converting icons, that many icons are one of a few standard types, such as doc file, etc. I've invented a C-Shell script that allows me to convert them with one command. I'll get around to doing the rest, such as guides, etc. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#125869From: Dominick J. FontanaDec 22, 1993 8:27 AM
Brian, Hi. Two questions about MagicWB. 1) Have you found a Trashcan icon yet? 2) Have you found a way to make the icons a bit smaller? I think they're a bit too big right now. I tried one of the scaling programs in the Libs, but it butchered the icons when I tried to reduce them. Thanks. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#125939From: Brian BartlettDec 22, 1993 11:53 PM
Dominick, there is a pretty nice trashcan icon in MWBICO.LHA. It appears as the universal symbol for recycling. Personally, I delete the Trashcan on any disk on which it appears, but I do understand that some like having it. I have yet to meet a icon reduction program that can successfully reduce these icons. I think part of the problem has to do with the method by which the icons were produced, i.e. paint program, anti-alias, etc. Unless a program pays attention to those constraints, I don't think they will do well with these icons. Have you tried registering the file and/or contacting the author? Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#125987From: Dominick J. FontanaDec 23, 1993 4:48 AM
Thanks, Brian. Actually, I really never use the Trashcan, but I keep one on each hard drive partition. No, I haven't contacted the author yet. I may do so in the future. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#125861From: Joe VeazeyDec 22, 1993 5:02 AM
The new version of MWB still uses 8 bitplane icons, so they are much too large and take up too much chip memory. You can fix them by using Dpaint and IconEdit, but it takes a *long* time (a minute per icon). ALSO, he provides a new iconupdate program to do automatic replacement of all your icons w/o messing up your window sizes, placements, tooltypes, etc, AND it seems to be sensitive to the exact contents and sizes of your icons. It uses "magic" bytes from the icon to determine if this icon needs to be replaced, and I am not sure what re-editing all of the distributed icons would do to his install script. That said, I will tell you that it is absolutely worth it in terms of how much better it makes WorkBench! (MWB icons look terrible on a 4 color lo-res workbench).
#126059From: Dave ArreDec 24, 1993 12:36 AM
Joe: What is the difference between the older and newer versions of MagicWB? I thought it wasn't a program, per se, but a collection of icons….. I'm currently using the older version, and I'm reluctant to download the newer one (about 40 minutes at 2400bd) unless there is a major improvement. — Dave
#126131From: Joe VeazeyDec 25, 1993 5:02 AM
New and slightly smaller drawer icon (replacing all my drawer icons with the new one saved me over 200k on my WORK: partition). New installer program (that I haven't used yet) that handles all types of icons, not just drawers; some redone icons (some I liked better, some less), teasers about stuff available with the registered version; more fonts in more sizes. Unfortunately, the icons are STILL 8 bitplanes deep, (5 of which are empty) making them big on disk and big in your chip memory. I have picked out the new or improved ones that I liked, used DpaintIV and IconEdit to put them back to 3 bitplanes, and used them. One reason I haven't used his installer program is that the documentation implies that it is sensitive to some magic values in the icons (that are dependent on the icon imagery itself). Since I have repainted all of his icons to reduce the bitplane count, I am not sure his install program will work ok. I really like MWB so I am going to save myself some work by sending in the shareware fee and getting the registered version.
#126236From: Brian BartlettDec 27, 1993 1:49 AM
Joe, I went back and checked the installation script and it appears to be standard AmigaDOS script-building of copy commands. I can't see any reason why you can't go ahead and use his installation script to install the three-bit icons. This was exactly the approach that I took with the last batch of fixed icons that came through. I replaced all the icons with the three-bit ones in the XEN-ICONS drawer of MagicWB, and then double-clicked on the install icon. Worked like a charm. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#126018From: Jim PhilippouDec 23, 1993 7:35 PM
Brian, Do you have any idea what is in AmigaDOS 3.1? I am currently running 2.0.4 and am concidering upgrading to at least 2.1. Do you think I should wait for C= to release 3.1? Of course I know one shouldn't hold their breath waiting for C= to release something, it could be hazardous to one's health but is it worth it? Jim Philippou
#126071From: Brian BartlettDec 24, 1993 1:34 AM
Jim, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to AmigaDOS 3.x, so I can't help you there. As for waiting, well is there anything in 2.1 that you need today? If not, then you may as well save the money for a future upgrade. If you require one of the features of 2.1, then I'd updgrade. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu