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#3DS output to VHS

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#73002From: Andrew SinagraDec 22, 1993 7:09 PM
I am a student at the University of Florida and am looking to work in the computer graphics field. I have approximately two years left at school and am trying to do some animation on my computer at home. I have a 486/66 DX2 with a 528 hard drive, and a Diamond Viper video card. Recently I purchased 3-D Studio and I love it, but I want to output my animations to video-tape. Since I am relatively new to this field I was wondering if anyone could give me their input on what kind of devices I need to convert my files to NTSC. I am open to any and all suggestions. Also I have heard about sending animations to a third party company to have professional conversions to VHS, if anyone knows anything about this please tell me. Thank you very much for your input. Andrew Sinagra
#73056From: MARTIN G FOSTERDec 23, 1993 2:29 AM
Andrew, you have a few choices and I'll list them in order of expense, more or less, least to most: 1) have someone render and/or lay your animations to tape. Figure around $0.25 – $1.00 per frame depending on whether they render the images or not and what type of equipment they are using. Consider a minimum of svhs if you are going to need to do any editing, 3/4"SP and BetacamSP are better still and will hold up better over generations of editing. 2) buy a vga-ntsc converter with which you can create 8-bit, 256 colour .flc files and play them back and record them in realtime to any deck of your choice. Could be a lowly consumer vhs. The converters cost anywhere from $300 to $1600+ depending on quality and features. 3) buy a motion jpeg card (such as the DPS Personal Animation Recorder) which does similar to #2, but in much higher quality full-colour (24-bit more or less), 30 frames per second (fixed), full-screen (752×480 res.) directly off a dedicated hardrive. This is a great option, IMHO, as you can get better than svhs quality without the hassle of frame-by-frame recording. Price is around $2500. 4) buy a frame accurate vtr, a framebuffer, and a vtr controller. Probably best quality depending on components you select but definetly most expensive. Figure a minimum of $5k up to $20k+. Ouch! Considering you're a student you're probably not rolling in dough – when I was at University I hardly had 2 pennies to rub together <g>. Good luck! Martin
#73108From: Ian KelsallDec 23, 1993 11:05 AM
Hi Martin Is there, or will there be a PAL version of the DPS-PAR for us Europeans ? ie 768×575 x 25 frames per sec.
#73121From: Dec 23, 1993 11:38 AM
Ian: Yes, there will be a PAL version of the DPS-PAR. It will be shipping in a few months. Greg Pyros [Pyros Partnership, Inc] gpyros@pyros.com 23-Dec-93 at 9:28a PST
#73211From: Nathan JohnstonDec 24, 1993 1:02 PM
Doest that mean the the NTSC-PAR will ship soon? (Sound of impatient foot tapping…) I was hoping for a nice christmas, present but…(Must have been naughty or not so nice!) –Nat'n
#73242From: Dec 24, 1993 10:41 PM
Nat'n: Soon, real soon!
#73265From: Nathan JohnstonDec 25, 1993 8:44 AM
Merry Christmas! Ahh… Christmas in minnesota… Snow, 35 to 50 BELOW ZERO wind chill! Who could ask for anything more? –Nat'n
#73123From: MARTIN G FOSTERDec 23, 1993 11:40 AM
Ian, I hope Greg Pyros jumps in and tells you. I don't know if there will be a PAL version, but I imagine there will be. You could give them a ring and ask: in Ontario Canada it's (416)754-8090 or fax (416)754-7046.
#73139From: Andrew SinagraDec 23, 1993 1:34 PM
Martin, Thanks for the information. I have a few questions though: #1, have someone render and/or lay your animations to tape, do you know who does this and how could I contact them. #2, the vga-ntsc converter, if I understand correctly, this simply changes the output signal from the video card to ntsc so I will get on my tv exactly what I see on my monitor? I have seen a svga-ntsc converter, will this allow me to play back 24-bit files? #3, buy a motion jpeg card, how could I get some information on the DPS Personal Animation Recorde? I have never heard of this before. The dedicated hard drive required, is this included in the jpeg card or do I need to buy another hard drive? What is "IMHO"? Is the $2500 including the actual VTR or is that just the card? Could I use a standard VCR or do I need a special type of VTR? Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it. Andrew Sinagra
#73152From: MARTIN G FOSTERDec 23, 1993 3:06 PM
Andrew, 1) first of all many of your fellow Floridians, like Don Landis, can help you with the ins-and-outs of frame accurate. I suggest you contact him be e-mail and phone etc. 2) You've got most of it right – what you see on your svga screen (up to 640×480 typically) is what will be recorded. 24-bit is a new issue and I don't think there is a viable animation format that works – there is just too much data involved for PC's. Tempra claims to have a 24-bit .flx file format but it probably doesn't playback at an acceptable pace unless the image is tiny. 3) Greg Pyros, a forum regular, can supply you with info on the DPS PAR. The hardrive is not included but I was quoting a price that did include one. The card alone is $1995, the capture option board is $995, the hardrives are from $600 and up – depending on capacity. The smallest approved disk will hold 3-5 minutes of animation. Any VCR will work, since the card has outputs for composite (vhs, 8mm, 3/4"), s-video (svhs, hi-8), and component (betacam/MII). IMHO means In My Humble Opinion. You should get download the file acron.txt which explains the frequently uses acronyms used on CI$ (Compuserve). Merry Xmas!
#73190From: Don LandisDec 24, 1993 2:54 AM
Thanks, Martin.
#73070From: Richard J. SmithDec 23, 1993 7:03 AM
hi, Andrew I also live in Florida ,Tampa to be exact, I go to school for AutoCad training and work with 3d studio at home . I am still learning the program myself and do not post messages that often, maybe when I know what I 'm doing. I do know a thing or two about putting animations on tape, If you don't need 24bpp tapes get a VGA to NTSC Board and a consumer VHS or SVHS deck. The next option is a frame buffer card (Targa's or Matrox) , a single frame controller (Softvtr or Drastic tech…lots more) , and a Frame accurate VTR in just about any flavor(format) you want. The third set up is a real time JPG thing I know very little about, I just went Frame by frame so the third set up is most likely the wave of the future and I missed the boat. Anyway it's nice to see sombody from FL on the Fourm so I can come out of the shadows once in awhile. I'm now saving for my next computer a P5 60 or 66 with 32 or more megs and a 1.2 gig drive, now if I could just get a job I'd be all set. Starving Animator Wantabe Richard Smith 72613,2367
#73140From: Andrew SinagraDec 23, 1993 1:41 PM
Richard, What exactly does a frame buffer card, a single frame controller, and a frame accurate VTR do? This is the first time I have posted a message and everyone has been very helpful. Thank you from one Floridian to another! Good luck finding a job, I know it's tough. Andrew Sinagra
#73144From: James TichenorDec 23, 1993 2:07 PM
Hello Andrew I just went through the process about a week or so ago – I think the thread is still active. It's called VTR SEARCH CONTINUES and is in section 5 or 6, HARDWARE. It's probably all still on CIS. If not, post a message and maybe some one will be good enough to upload the whole thing. I found it fabulously informative. Any questions, just let me know. I'm sure everyone will be happy to help. Seeya James
#73224From: John K. JordanDec 24, 1993 3:46 PM
Andrew, >>output to NTSC… Just a caution, some VGA-to-NTSC solutions require a VGA passthru connector on the VGA board. I understand the Diamond Viper does NOT have this connector. (I have the Magni VGA Producer Pro which works extremely well but needs the passthru.) 8-bit color animations (FLI or FLC) to tape are lower quality, but can be very rewarding at a much lower cost than a single-frame controller and deck. 8-bit is also more than suitable for many technical animation projects. For high quality video, however, 24-bit is a must, whether single-frame, laser disk, or other. However, be prepared to spend $5000 to $10000 or more for this quality. Unless you are making steady money with animation, it may be cheaper to pay someone to put it onto tape for you. Of course, a single-frame setup is great fun – I wouldn't trade mine for anything (yet). JKJ