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#PAR Backup

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#140099From: Cal HainesDec 6, 1994 11:40 AM
Christophe: I ran some test with my PAR setup and was not able to produce the corrupt file with bad frames after about frame 900, as you have mentioned. I tried the following: 1) Copy 1360 frame file from PAR to DOS and back to PAR using both DOS and PAR.EXE. 2) Copy 2700 frame file from PAR to DOS and back using PAR.EXE. In each case the files play without error and appear to be correct, although the one time I did a compare (using DOS FC after copying from PAR to DOS) the file had numerous mis- compares. This may be a stupid question, but are you using the same DOS/NTSC version of the PAR board that I am? Mine is model DR-2100. Other system information: Gateway 2000 P5-60 Pentium computer (PCI/ISA bus) MS-DOS 6.22 SCSI hard drive Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI controller, v3.5 BIOS PAR drive – Micropolis 2217A PAR.HEX version 1.10 PARDRV version 1.4 (386) PAR.EXE version 1.09 I know that my drivers aren't the latest, but they have worked reliably, albeit with a long list of bugs (which DPS would undoubtedly consider to be version-specific-features). Let me know what you are using and I'll try to duplicate your problem on my system. By the way, what tape backup system are you using? Cal
#140148From: Christophe Van OyenDec 6, 1994 3:43 PM
Well I'm using the PAL version DR.3100 However it could well be that the bug if it is one causing this backup problem only came about with release 1.27 of PAR.exe, I believe it was not there before??? But I do not think any of the other facts you mention are relevant however I'll check am out. BTW I'm not using any Tape backup at the moment, I'm just copying to my harddrive, and to an MO128, however waiting until the problem is solved to get a DAT. Christophe
#140315From: Don LandisDec 7, 1994 8:20 AM
>> I believe it was not there before??? That's correct. I did not have the problem on my older version either, judt since upgrading to the newer version.
#140421From: Cal HainesDec 7, 1994 12:28 PM
Christophe: Do you have the option of dropping back to the level of PAR drivers that I am using? It might help narrow the problem down if you could try it. Do you get the problem if you use DOS to copy files to and from the PAR drive — this would eliminate PAR.EXE from the equation and leave only the file drivers. Let me know if I can help out further. Re tape backup, I have a Sony SDT-5000 4mm DAT drive set up and seem to be able to backup the PAR drive, I still can't verify or restore without loading the .ANI files onto my DOS drive, however. They way I verify now is to restore from DOS and see if the .ANI file plays. It turns out to be about as fast to copy the files from PAR to DOS then back up from there, the prolem is that I don't have enough space to back up the entire PAR drive. Cal
#140472From: Christophe Van OyenDec 7, 1994 4:09 PM
I unfortunately only have drivers from 1.27 up. BTW the problem certainly stays the same when I just copy files in DOS, so it is not related to PAR.exe directly. Also to note to you, this discussion has been going on for about nearly 2 months I believe, and we slowly are getting more knowledge about the problem, sooner or later it will be solved I think. Christophe
#140806From: Cal HainesDec 9, 1994 7:55 AM
Christophe: What driver levels are you using? I have been using: PARDRV V1.4 PAR initializer V1.13 Cal
#140494From: Dec 7, 1994 5:06 PM
Cal: >> …if you use DOS to copy files to and from the PAR drive… The way I >> verify now is to restore from DOS and see if the .ANI file plays. That is the recommended method. People seem to forget that the PAR is NOT a DOS drive, it is jumping through some incredible hoops to even look like one! Many people are now looking into this to see if there is a 100% reproducible case that can be found. If there is a reproducible case, it can be fixed. If something like this only happens once-in-a-while, and on different files in different places on different machines with different configurations, it can be _incredibly_ difficult to find. But believe me, it is being looked into. It is just surprising that the PAR has been in use for oveor a year, and this issue is just coming to the surface the last few months! Greg Pyros
#140577From: theo van bruggenDec 8, 1994 4:44 AM
Gregory, I really think that the problem of the backup/restore is already on the PAR. and the only additional problem that backup/restore brings us is that all frames get corrupted after this frame. Sometimes you can find the "strange looking" frame within thef animation and removing this frame solves the problem( and these files have never been backuped/restored) . It looks to me that it has something to do with a pointerproblem in the file on the PAR. Theo
#140683From: Dec 8, 1994 4:06 PM
Theo: Interesting theory! Greg Pyros
#140810From: Cal HainesDec 9, 1994 8:21 AM
What driver levels are you using? Cal
#140816From: theo van bruggenDec 9, 1994 9:20 AM
Cal, I installed the latest 1.33B PAL-version, i downloaded this version last week from the DPS bulletin board. It solved for me the problems of the PAR getting corrupted after optimise and deleting projects which were in the earlier release. But the problem that came with this new version (no big problem though) was that my whole system crashes when i start the PAR-software after using 3DstudioR3 and it didn't solve the problem about the backup /restore. So i still have to split and split my animations….. But a new weekend is coming up to investigate. Bye Theo
#140808From: Cal HainesDec 9, 1994 8:07 AM
Gregory: <<If there is a reproducible case, it can be fixed.>> I agree, but all I get from DPS is lip service. They reason that if THEY can't reproduce it, it must not be THEIR problem. That attitude is naive at best. Are you able to produce the problem? Also, re copying from DOS not being the recommended method for PAR access: This has worked well with me in my current configuration, so I am inclined to stay with it. I am using old (version 1.09) software with raft of bugs, but they are relatively benign bugs that I have work-arounds for. Most of my work-arounds involve copy to/from DOS. I would be interested in situations that you know of where a DOS copy, either direction, causes problems. Finially, software has to jump through a lot of hoops to access a SCSI or network drives, yet it hasn't cost me any data! Thanks! Cal