#The 10 Suggestions
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Hi Steve;
You wanted quotes from the founding fathers to support that they wanted a
Christian Country. Many people have told us what the the Constitution says and
would have us belive that our founding fathers wanted seperation of church and
state. I will show you quoits from the founding fathers that prove that this is
not what they wanted. This is the first I will send more as I have time to find
them.
FROM WASHINGTON'S FAREWELL ADDRESS, 1796:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim
the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of
human happiness
– these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician,
equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume
could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it
simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life,
if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments
of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the
supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be
conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure,
reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can
prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
PMFJI, BUT………………
Nowehere in the quote do I see the word 'Christian'.
I see the word 'religion' used, but you must remember that 'Christian' is
only a SUB-SET of 'religion.'
Erik Flom
Erik;
You will see the word Christian as I send more quotes and you will see what the
founding fathers were thinking.
Robert //
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Robert-
So why didn't he just say Christian every time he said religion? And
even so, you're making the assumption that the founding fathers were all
universally infallible, which, so far as I know, is a property reserved to
god in the christian cannon.
Paul – wearing my black construction paper funeral suit
He isn't arguing that they are infallible, he's arguing that the intent of the
establishment clause isn't a total separation of Church and State, because none
of the Founding Fathers would have wanted (or approved of) such a thing. And
Washington didn't NEED to say Christian, in his day there was no significant
competing religion in this country.
-Karl
Robert,
What I get from the those statements, acknowledgment that some of the
properties and practices in religion are of value. I don't argue that, there
are many redeeming qualities and unquestionable morals set forth in
christiananity, Thou shalt not kill, steal, ect. But I see nothing here that
qualifies as "Christianity is The National Religion of The Unitied States of
America"
How did I get in this debate? I usually stay ten miles from reliigous topics!
..Steve
Cruising on Autopilot
from beautiful Coastal South Carolina
Steve;
You got into this because you said that you did not think that the founding
fathers wanted a Christian country.
I will be uploading more quoits to prove my point soon.
Robert //
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Fascinating, and especially so when you consider that Washington was a deist.
-larry