CompuServe Thread

#There Is Hope Yet!

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#222From: Eric A. WellsDec 19, 1994 12:15 PM
Wonderful! This is great and I commend you two for the effort you'll be putting into this. I a bit excited and have a lot to communicate so please forgive me if this is a bit long-winded and convoluted. I've been evangelizing my company, IDX Systems Corp – Boston, for going on 3 years. I've recently been given the green light to trail blaze for them with regards to multimedia development, research and consulting. I author in Authorware Pro for Windows. I need to find immediate and "cost effective" solutions to capturing Windows screens with video overlay, etc that I can eventually output to vcr for distribution. I've recently read that Lotus' ScreenCam is great product to do screen capture with. I've recently attended a demo of the FAST Video Machine Lite (the full blown studio) and thats incredible but at $13,000 is a bit for my company to handle considering. I need to massage these new technologies into their subconscience – if you know what I mean. I've been using VideoLogic's DVA-4000 and Mediaspace for probably less than 3 months even though we've owned it for well over a year. Major issues regarding compatibility with svga drivers, understanding its requirements (it doesn't like to share memory space with network comm cards), and many other issues have destroyed my desire and confidence to continue working with it. When it works its good. But I've rarely had a successful session with it. I need a capture card like a Targa 2000 (Targa runs on EISA only) but will run on PCI. I understand Diamond now has the Video Pro Card that looks good in print. I still can't find out if it will cable out to a vcr. The VideoLogic cards will only run output at 640x480x256 at 60 hz refresh rate. Its the refresh rate that makes the vcr recording look unprofessional. The video company we outsource corporate production to recommended that I create all the media pieces into the typical Adobe Premiere edit list and then take the computer over to their studio where they'll interface it with the $25,000 Lyon Lamb scan converter. This is probably what I'll end up doing if I can't find my answers. Any insights, comments, dope slaps, whatever would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Eric
#273From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPDec 19, 1994 7:28 PM
Eric, Hi. You do have a kind of tricky application there. I'll take my best shot at it. I am not aware of _any_ video cards for the IBM & compatibles that will both overlay an external video source and, at the same time, output the combined VGA screen with the overlaid video source. Now, that does not mean that one does not exist… I can think of two ways to do this. One is to use a camcorder that will allow you to video computer screens with a refresh rate that is not a multipe of 3.54xxyyzz kHz (NTSC), ie. SVGA, and just video the computer screen to tape and then use conventional editing techniques to edit with that tape. I think these camcorders are somewhat expensive, however. The second solution would be to go ahead and get a "switcher" that will allow you to do picture-in-picture, without relying on one board to do the overlay and encoding. You could take one computer and encode its output as an NTSC input to the switcher, and then take your other video source as a second input to the switcher and then use the switcher to do a positionable picture in picture type of effect. I had not heard of Lotus SmartCam yet, can you describe it to me? -John
#297From: Scott GallaherDec 19, 1994 9:36 PM
Eric, I hope you don't mind me piping up, but I couldn't help notice that you have Mediaspace/DVA4000. I've never seen the capability of a Targa, an Amiga, or any of that stuff, so I can't comment on that. I have read that these boards can do some really great quality recording, but for making software demo tapes or training videos, I think Mediaspace is definitely up to it. I use Videologic Mediaspace & DVA/4000 too, and I have had some luck with it, although I admit there was a steep learning curve in the beginning; it became more of a case of building components around Videologic's boards as much as building a system! For what its worth, I have some insights for getting the best out of these boards that you can while minimizing the cost of additional hardware. Also, I have had good luck with Orchid's 1280 plus VLB SVGA card, but even that took some fine-tuning. I think that the output quality depends somewhat on the system's ability to download video to begin with, as measured by Vidsnap's calibrate reading, as well as the refresh rate. Another thing that's important is what device you use to output the video to vcr. I use Videologic's Mediator LC; it's nice because its external (has both red AND green lights)(perfect for Christmas -g) and has controls on the side to adjust picture. And most importantly the picture quality is good. If you are going to do a lot of insets, then Mediaspace can be really good at that, since most PCs tend do get a higher quality video recording rate using Mediaspace at 320 X 240 where the hard-drive and CPU can work optimally to get a really good quality "take" off your video source. 640 X 480 recordings need pretty super-human (PC?) kit to manage the data transfer rates at that setting. A Pentium/PCI system is out, sadly, because Videologic claim that the PCI buses out there are not standardized enough to work with the VGA standard set forth by IBM. It's a lame excuse, but there you are– The DVA/4000 won't display a picture with a PCI video card. A DX4-100 with vesa local bus video and vesa local bus hard drive is what I would suggest. I read about a Pentium 90 motherboard made with Vesa Local Bus that is now out of production because it doesn't rate as a motherboad compared to the newer PCI boards, but for Mediaspace, it could be perfect; after all, what you really want the Pentium 90 power for is non-linear editing in Windows. As for your technique, have you considered attempting to use some sort of software frame-grabber (like Hijaak or something) to convert your PC's screen to bitmaps, turn that into a video, and then position your video clips on top of that using Premiere? Anyway, best of luck finding what you're looking for. If you do put together the killer system, be sure and post it! –Scott