#THUNDERVISION?
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A visitor (he is making a similar board but has not success yet) came
to our company, while chatting, he told us that this board is in that
pre-release status for some months. So, figure it out by yourself.
BTW, a fast capture board only solve less than half of the problem of
capturing (digitizing) video to your hard disk. The hardware
bandwidth of the storage device, disk controller, and the bus
connecting them determine the rest. I know you must know this,
however, it may help the others in the forum to understand the
problem and solution better. So, I write them down at the following.
To achieve non-dropping frame capturing with best quality, you need a
perfect match (and compromise) of all of them. A capture board can
easily capture faster than the storage device can take. For the
cards for lower speed buses, like miro DC1 is on ISA bus, this is
more severe. That is because even the hard disk can do more, the bus
itself has a practical bandwidth up to around 1M bytes per second.
EISA or PCI bus with Fast SCSI-II hard drive has a higher but not so
high practical limitation, too.
Basically, there are two ways to work around this. Either it will
compress more (in turn, lower the quality of the video captured) to
use standard storage device (and bus) or it will use proprietary fast
storage device to preserve the video quality. Boards just as miro
DC1 choose the former approach (up to 1:35 compression rate), so that
it can be plug-and-play into almost any PC that you can find. When I
work with it on a Pentium/90 machine with a PCI Fast SCSI-II AV drive
and host adapter, I got VHS to sub-VHS class video result and play it
on TV in real time. I'm quite happy with it. If I remember them
correctly, some use boards like Targa 2000 (around 1:2 to 1:5
compression) to compress and controll the hard disk directly while
others use a similar board (around 1:3 to 1:8 compression) with two
Fast/Wide SCSI-II disks link in parallel. If work right, they can
give you VHS or semi S-VHS output, but either you need to buy the
whole set from them or use a certified hard disk and card that they
approved.
You will need an AV class hard disk which can maintain a suitable
transferring rate even there are fragments in the disk clusters.
Adding disk cache may even slow the capturing process down. This is
because you need to put the data into the physical disk surface as
fast as it can, disk cache will not help. If you have many many RAM,
capture video directly to RAM or use that as a RAM disk and capture
video to that disk will help you to capture small clips better.
Of couse, some systems offer you another option, online editing, which
will use computer only to controll the analog devices connected and
do the editing just like using traditional equipments.
Thanks for the brief tutorial.
Can you explain what characteristics a hard drive must have to have an
"AV class" rating? I am about to buy a >1G drive, probably SCSI-II.
Thanks in advance and Seasons Greetings,
Marc,
Basically, from user's view, they are the fastest and most expensive hard disks
in PC world. <grin> Good thing is that they will have an AV label on them.
<grin> Details that I don't know, I believe they need to do some tricks or
skip the checkings to maintain the sustain data transferring rate to around and
above 1M bytes per second so that you can have a smooth capturing and playback.
Micropolis's AV series and Seagate's new Baraccuda (?) line which spins in 7200
rpm (higher than 3600/5200 rpm other lines are using) are one of them. 1G AV
disk may be hard to find, what I heard are all 1.7G/2G/4G/9G.
When you get an AV disk, you also need a good PCI/EISA fast SCSI-II host
adapter to fit it right in. Fast/Wide SCSI-II are even faster but the disk and
controller are hard to find, so forget it for now.
–Vincent Chen
Vincent,
Thanks for the response. This forum has been very informative.
-Marco
Pardon me for jumping in.
As I understand all disk drives have to do what is called thermal calibration,
which consists of periodic adjustments to head positioning. The problem is
that if you are in the middle of an edit when this happens, the chances of
having dropped frames are pretty high.
The A/V drives, for example Micropolis, do their recalibration in a more
controlled way so as to not result in dropped frames.
There is a discussion of this on the tape which Jon Leland made for Videography
Magazine, called "Video-Video". It can be ordered from Videography at
800-685-3636 for $14.95 – it is a reasonably complete discussion of desktop
video and nonlinear editing.
Bob
Robert,
Thanks for the response. I'll try the video.
-Marco
A minor correction: I just replaced my Cineworks/AM card with a Targe
2000 and Adove Premiere (1.1, looking to upgrade to 4.0 or Razor).
The Targa 2000 uses MJPEG which has variable compression ratios but
does not record directly to disk. You have to have a separate fast
disk subsystem for this (I have the Buslogic EISA SCSI-2 controller).
Although I am getting sustained rates of only just over 2M/sec, I can
record video with a Q factor of 230 with CD quality audio. This is
far better quality video than I was getting with the AM card; the DVI
compression really sucked. One great thing about Cineworks that I
miss is that effects only took a few seconds to calculate. In
Premiere, an effect preview can take several minutes to calculate,
and you have to "build" the entire film into a file before it can be
viewed. — dn