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#178798From: Steve SetzerDec 18, 1994 4:13 PM
Mark, I normally sit back and watch these exchanges between the `Pros', but you are starting into the personal attack area with Jim. While most of us here are skeptical of any unofficial news or rumors, the arguments you are using against Jim go beyond the topic under discusion. I have a lot of respect for you (and Jim Drews) and I do tend to be skeptical of some of the claims he has made, (I'll wait and see) but statements like: "His history is that the products that he does release takes months and months to get right after the release." And: "His history is that the products that he does release takes months and months to get right after the release." Sound more like sour grapes to me. Exchange ideas and question his claims, but don't attack. I have heard others dealers here complain about CEI too. ..Steve Cruising on Autopilot from beautiful Coastal South Carolina
#178840From: Mark D. ManesDec 18, 1994 6:45 PM
Steve, I do not consider my statements to be a personal attack. Someone said that the history of Jim Drew spoke for itself. I recounted that history..are you disputing it? If so.. what did I recount incorrectly? I try very hard to not engage in personal attacks. They are not productive and do little to sway opinion. What I have done is try to take statements from Jim Drew and apply arguments and reasoning to these points. A process that I am sure that is unpopular as many "want" to believe in Jim Drew's words. After all, who am I? A guy that works for SCALA and a sysop here. I certainly do hope that Jim Drew does not take offense at anything I have said. I simply disagree with him. I also disagree that Utilities Unlimited history is something that a new company should be modeled after. It is amazing how much revisionist history goes around. I remember when these forums were screaming at Utilities Unlimited when the Emplant was released–don't you? I never said in any of my postings that I thought the Emplant was a bad product. Quite the contrary. I have in fact stated in various postings how important I consider his product to be. Regardless if you consider my posting to be an attack. I apologize to you, and to Jim Drew. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#179123From: Steve SetzerDec 20, 1994 6:56 AM
Mark, I did not mean to come down on you, I have the utmost respect for you and your contributions to the Amy community. In short when you post here I do listen. Some goes for Jim Drew and a few select others here. Most I do take with a grain of salt. Most, if not all, you have said about Jim and UU, I personaly agree with, BUT has little bearing on the current topic. Jim may have legit beefs with CEI, others here have stated the same. You may have had a great relationship with them, but that does not discount what others say. Emplant is a great piece of engineering, it was a little late and not as complete as some wished, but that is true with most of the Amiga developers. The discusion between the two of you is/was very informitive and entertaining. I just thought the topic was getting skewed and bringing up past issues not relevant to the current situation, is counter prodictive IMHO. Please continue to state your views, as I find them most enlightening, You and SCALA are one of the few shining lights left. (as is emplant) 🙂 ..Steve Cruising on Autopilot from beautiful Coastal South Carolina