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#4641From: P. OLIVERJan 8, 1986 9:32 PM
So hey — why doesn't U.K. LeGuin give her novels away? Perhaps some people think they're worth something. It would be in the interest of *Amiga/Commodore* to "give" some software away with the machine — as they already have -but that's like saying GM "gives" you four tires with the car you just bought. There's a difference between bundling software with a machine to sell the machine, and literally giving software away. In fact, it is a legitimate practice in some limited instances to "give" a sample of a product away as a "loss leader" — a common and well understand practice. Witness Electronic Arts' Polyscope demo. Well done and a limited version — intended to entice people to *buy* their wares later on. Now that is another thing entirely and is perfectly capitalistic. What I argue against is the morality behind *all* software being "free" — an impossible idea, just as impossible as any oter "free" commodity. As long as such ideas prevail, the world will continue its downward descent to the next dark ages as the bloody muck of altruism and its political consequent of statism (i.e., legalized slavery) in the form of communism, socialism, the welfare state, Nazism, etc. In short, I reject the morality of self-sacrifice and the premise that it is the duty of any human being to give up his life and his work to others for their so-called benefit. Any civilization that attempts implementing such a morality will end up getting what it deserves — Hitler, Stalin, Khomeini, Khadaffi, Gary Hart, etc. ad nauseaum.
#4661From: Dave Haynie/C128 LandJan 8, 1986 10:44 PM
I in no way suggested that all software should be given away for free. I suggest, as I said before, that it is an author's premise to distribute his software as he sees fit; that may be on a purely altruistic basis or on what he sees as ultimately benefitting himself to the maximum degree. But the concept of imposed Capitalism is just as restricting to me as would be the various personal freedoms that suffer under some of the other varied philosophies you mentioned, such as Nazism or any monarchy, socialism, or communism (NOT to be confused with the Soviet social system).
#4666From: P. OLIVERJan 8, 1986 11:44 PM
"Should" is a moral concept and as such morality applies to it. You can cut your throat if you want; should you? As a general rule, one should not, although one can. Your last sentence is a dead giveaway to your politics, though. The last gasp of altruism/socialism/communism is the proclamation by its advocates that "Soviet Russia isn't *really* true communism, and my gang would do it better." Horse-feathers. Soviet russia is the embodiment of altruism, the ideal itself is utterly corrupt and evil, as Russia has shown. I can't give the totality of the many reasons for this view, but interested persons should read 'Atlas Shrugged' for a complete treatment.
#4666From: P. OLIVERJan 8, 1986 11:44 PM
"Should" is a moral concept and as such morality applies to it. You can cut your throat if you want; should you? As a general rule, one should not, although one can. Your last sentence is a dead giveaway to your politics, though. The last gasp of altruism/socialism/communism is the proclamation by its advocates that "Soviet Russia isn't *really* true communism, and my gang would do it better." Horse-feathers. Soviet russia is the embodiment of altruism, the ideal itself is utterly corrupt and evil, as Russia has shown. I can't give the totality of the many reasons for this view, but interested persons should read 'Atlas Shrugged' for a complete treatment.
#4661From: Dave Haynie/C128 LandJan 8, 1986 10:44 PM
I in no way suggested that all software should be given away for free. I suggest, as I said before, that it is an author's premise to distribute his software as he sees fit; that may be on a purely altruistic basis or on what he sees as ultimately benefitting himself to the maximum degree. But the concept of imposed Capitalism is just as restricting to me as would be the various personal freedoms that suffer under some of the other varied philosophies you mentioned, such as Nazism or any monarchy, socialism, or communism (NOT to be confused with the Soviet social system).
#4698From: Scott BallantyneJan 9, 1986 3:06 AM
Gee – all of this philosophy just because there is a good teminal program available for free. Gee. Does all this mean that if you use a compiler/assembler/editor/linker to make your programs, that you feel morally obligated to give the compiler etc. writers a percentage of your program? Or do you reap the benefits of their non-licensing largesse for a one-time purchase fee? There are likely to be significant free software available for the Amiga – made by people who have a high degree of self-respect and motivated by a desire to make the world a better place. Personally speaking, I would rather get GNU et al. for free and attempt to *repay* the generosity of folks like this by returning my own humble contributions. This seems to be completely understandable in terms of your obsession with profit/morality etc. Let me put it this way – if I were to write a program, say a compiler and make it available for free, and someone else were to use that compiler to produce what is, for me, a useful and exciting program, also for *free* then I would consider myself well paid. . You should also read your history books. While many of the people you clump together are indeed rather unappetizing sorts, they have very little in common with each other, and absolutely nothing in common with free software. Hitler, in particular, appealed to the small buisinessman, i.e. the "little guys" which seem to be the same people Rand appeals to. Now, can we get back to talking about computers?? SDB
#4698From: Scott BallantyneJan 9, 1986 3:06 AM
Gee – all of this philosophy just because there is a good teminal program available for free. Gee. Does all this mean that if you use a compiler/assembler/editor/linker to make your programs, that you feel morally obligated to give the compiler etc. writers a percentage of your program? Or do you reap the benefits of their non-licensing largesse for a one-time purchase fee? There are likely to be significant free software available for the Amiga – made by people who have a high degree of self-respect and motivated by a desire to make the world a better place. Personally speaking, I would rather get GNU et al. for free and attempt to *repay* the generosity of folks like this by returning my own humble contributions. This seems to be completely understandable in terms of your obsession with profit/morality etc. Let me put it this way – if I were to write a program, say a compiler and make it available for free, and someone else were to use that compiler to produce what is, for me, a useful and exciting program, also for *free* then I would consider myself well paid. . You should also read your history books. While many of the people you clump together are indeed rather unappetizing sorts, they have very little in common with each other, and absolutely nothing in common with free software. Hitler, in particular, appealed to the small buisinessman, i.e. the "little guys" which seem to be the same people Rand appeals to. Now, can we get back to talking about computers?? SDB