CompuServe Thread

1.5Meg Drives?

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#50119From: Dave ArreFeb 22, 1992 4:51 AM
Hi, folks! I just recently became the proud owner of an Amiga 3000! It's a wonderful machine. My question is: Since the 3000 comes with one floppy drive, is it possible to install a high density (1.5Meg) 3.5" drive in the second drive bay, and have AmigaDOS recognize the drive as HD? I've checked the mags, but all I saw are standard 800K drives. Any info would be appreciated! —-Dave
#50146From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppFeb 22, 1992 1:44 PM
Dave, If the machine has recently been manufactured (within the last 5 or 6 months), then you might already have a 1.76MB floppy. Put in a high density disk and format it. If it formats to 1.76, you've got one. Don't you love when someone upgrades equipment with something neat and doesn't tell anyone? 🙂 Darin – via Whap!
#50162From: Dave ArreFeb 22, 1992 5:09 PM
Darin: I dbout that it would have the 1.7MB floppy, as I bought the 3000 used, and it is over a year old. Can I install a 1.7MB floppy in the df1: position, and would it work with no problems (extra drivers, and the like)? —Dave
#50169From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppFeb 22, 1992 6:44 PM
Dave, If you could order a 1.76 MB floppy from Commodore, yes. Unforunately, they say that they don't have them. I wish that someone would turn CBM into a better company. These things are ridiculous. If I found out that I could install a 1.76MB floppy in my A500, I'd do it in a second (and, no, I'm not talking about the non standard and unsupported AE drive.). Too bad I can't order one since they "don't have them". Darin
#50255From: Dave ArreFeb 23, 1992 2:20 PM
Darin: Commodore is one *stupid* company. If their pricing was anywhere near log cal, I would have bought the 3000 *new*. Putting HD drives into their machines, nd then refusing to admit they're doing it is unbelievably obtuse. I will borrow an HD disk from a friend and I'll try to format it to see if my ma hine will format HD. It was originally a 3000-25/100, the 100 meg HD was replace by its previous owner, and a 52Meg Quantum is now in the machine. Perhaps I may have one of those "ghost" drives, after all! Of course, the other (slim) possibility is that Commodore doesn't even *know* th t these drives are capable of HD operation. That would make them just as obtuse s if they knew about it and didn't admit it. Thanks for the info.. I'll check my present df0:, and I'll wait and see if C= finally admits to having HD drives bef re I take the plunge and buy a df1: drive. —–Dave
#50149From: john loweryFeb 22, 1992 2:05 PM
Dave, If you just got the 3000 new, try putting a HIGH DENSITY disk in the drive and formating. Some of the 3000 of late were shipped with the HD drive. It is a special drive you can't order yet. There isn't a different format command as it is in messy dos. You just have to stick in a disk (high density) and if you have one, it will format HD. Do an info command when done and see if you have the higher free space. It will also take a little longer than normal to format. JOHN – The Lost Southerner!!
#50163From: Dave ArreFeb 22, 1992 5:12 PM
John, as I told Darin, I bought the 3000 used, so it is over a year old. Is the DOS configured so that it can recognize the HD drives if I install one in df1:'s position, or do I have to order the drive and drivers from Commodore? —-Dave
#50177From: Jim SteeleFeb 22, 1992 9:45 PM
Dave, according to the scuttlebut around here, the HD drive is a custom model OEM'ed from Chinon. Apparently it cuts the motor speed in half when it detects the HD hole in a floppy. So you couldn't just put a generic HD drive in the machine. I wonder how difficult it would be to hack a standard drive to do that? -Jim
#50256From: Dave ArreFeb 23, 1992 2:21 PM
Jim: It figures C= would go through a non-standard route of introducing HD flopp es to the Amiga. The fact that they don't even admit they exist proves that they ve got a collective screw loose. I'm in no hurry to install the df1: drive, so I'll just hang on and see if these drives eventually become available. Thanks for the info! —-Dave
#50300From: Jim SteeleFeb 23, 1992 9:12 PM
Well, to be fair to Commodore, the custom chip set which does the disk IO is apparently incapable of handling the data rate from a standard HD floppy. I don't know why they don't just go with a controller card approach like the pc folks. Jim
#50327From: Don Curtis/SYSOPFeb 24, 1992 12:55 AM
Dave, Not at all. What if you and a friend went into a store and each bought a 3000. Both out of new boxes, both from the same shipment to the dealer. You discovered you had a HD drive in yours, your friend didn't have one in his. IF Commodore claimed they were shipping HD drives in their machines, your friend would have a valid claim. If Commodore said they weren't shipping them, they you could feel lucky, but your friend would have no legitimate gripe. The point being Commodore obviously built in the capability to handle HD drives (under certain conditions..such as with a specific drive) but for some reason or other, decided not to include htat as standard at this point in time. In the meantime, they did have a supply of HD drives and thus they got put into a few machines in order to simply use up stocks on hand. I suspect that once more than one "reliable" source is found, you'll see them become standard. Don
#50220From: john loweryFeb 23, 1992 9:23 AM
Dave, I realy don't know as I don't have one eather. Several months ago, the news of a High Density drive was hot on the BBS. From what I can tell, the entire process was done at the disk. There was no software changes or mods needed. The problem is that C= won't even admit to having one and theirfore, there is no part number. I am #1 in line when they do get announced, but the last I heard was C= was saying "WHAT THE H__L ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A DRIVE." JOHN – The Lost Southerner!!
#50257From: Dave ArreFeb 23, 1992 2:23 PM
John: The boneheads at C= seem to have struck again. Maybe we should cart these olks away in a padded wagon. <grin> It seems like I'll just hang out and wait un il someone admits that these drives exist (or, more likely, correct the "error" nd STOP using them :-)) In the meantime, I'll borrow an HD disk from a friend an see if my machine, which originally was a 3000-25/100, may have been equipped w th one of those HD drives. I rather dbout that it would have been, since the dat of manufacture is something like October 1990! <grin> Thanks for the info! —-Dave