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#GVP 1230+ SII Anyone?

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#130269From: Jonathan SchmidtFeb 3, 1994 7:13 PM
I was wondering if anyone out there has a 1200 with the new A1230 Turbo+ Series II from GVP. I'm interested in getting this board with the SCSI option and would like any opinions out there. Thanks, Jon
#130321From: Richard GraffFeb 4, 1994 8:03 AM
I upgraded from the original A1230+ to the new one with the scsi board several weeks ago. The hardware installation was very simple, although there were two jumpers on the scsi board that had to be removed that were not documented. The system wouldn't boot with the scsi board installed at first, but a call to GVP corrected the problem. Compared to my old Xetec scsi system I sold a year ago when I sold my A500, the Prep and support software is excellent. Right now I'm only running a Quantum 240lps, however, looking thru the documentation, there are methods for setting up removeable media and other like drives that have special needs. Specs include an external DB25 scsi port, Active termination and support of the SCSI-II command set. GVP claims speeds in excess of 3,246,495 bytes/second (with some special tweeking mentioned in the fine print), on my system, the new drive is about 2.5 times faster than the IDE drive that was installed in the A1200. Sysinfo reports 1,900,000+ bytes/second and Diskspeed 3.0 reports 1,300,000+ bytes/second. I'm not really a tech person, so I don't know how much of this is the drive itself and how much of it is the scsi system. As I mentioned, I only have the harddrive on the scsi chain at the moment, but I will be adding a CDRom drive and Tape backup unit eventualy. I've been dropping hints about the CDRom drive to my wife since our anniversary is in a couple of weeks <G>. I converted a mini PC tower case with a scsi cable and installed the harddrive in it, I will install the CDRom and Tape Backup in it as well. Overall all I'm very pleased, but to be honest I don't have any experience with regards to simuliar products on the market and how they compare to the GVP unit. =Rick=
#130353From: Chris LesterFeb 4, 1994 4:00 PM
Have you heard anything on the A1230 Turbo Performance Series, which is supposed to hold an '040 processor? It seems a much cheaper alternative to the A4000 for the simple, non-video, applications of an Amiga. (Although I am curious as to how they cool that sucker…)
#130363From: Richard GraffFeb 4, 1994 5:23 PM
No I haven't heard anything on it, the '030 version suits my needs nicely, I can't imagine needing more speed in most situations, at least for the tasks I use my Ami for. =Rick=
#130548From: Kevin SangwellFeb 5, 1994 4:41 PM
Chris, Over here in the UK, we have two versions of the GVP A1230+ II, one has a 40 Mhz CPU, the other a 50Mhz, both utilitse a 68030, all other features are identical (RAM, FPU and SCSI options). Hope this helps Kevin 68030/40 A1200… Flying AutoPilot from Surrey in the UK
#130572From: Chris LesterFeb 5, 1994 8:20 PM
I very well may have seen a misprint in AW… however I did call GVP and request information on the '040 that was mentioned in the article…. just incase that falls through however, do you like yours? Any downfalls, or benefits (other than faster). Also, how noticable is the speed difference from a stock A1200? (I'm upgrading from an A1000, which will probably blow me away anyway!) Thanks! Chris
#130620From: Robert ComerFeb 6, 1994 1:44 AM
> (I'm upgrading from an A1000, which will probably blow me away anyway!) It will! 🙂 Bob Comer — Flying high and fast with my A1200HD'030 on Autopilot! From Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
#130693From: Kevin SangwellFeb 6, 1994 3:12 PM
Chris, I would whole heartedly recommend my A1230+ II. I've not had it long, but before buying it I compared all the accelerators with similar specs. and decided that the GVP was the best unit for the following reasons; Speed (obviously) Expansion (not only 2 SIMM slots, but SCSI too) Reliability (GVP have an extremely good reputation) The only reservation I have is that the SIMMs are GVP's own, not industry standard. This means that GVP can charge what they like for them. Thankfully, I've found a number of suppliers over here who can almost match the prices of industry standard SIMMs, so I guess you cuold too. I can't answer your question about speed because I've not got any RAM onboard yet, so theres no speed increase (in fact it's slower than my A1200 was with a Power PC1204 4Mb memory expansion installed). Regards Kevin 68030/40 A1200… Flying AutoPilot from Surrey in the UK
#130751From: Chris LesterFeb 6, 1994 9:16 PM
Kevin, I'm a bit confused on your previos post…. >>I can't answer your question about speed because I've not got any RAM onboard yet, so theres no speed increase (in fact it's slower than my A1200 was with a Power PC1204 4Mb memory expansion installed). Your saying that an '030 accelerator with no fast ram runs slower than an '020 with fast ram? (Or is a Power PC1204 '030 based as well?) How can this be? It seems like something of a speed increase would occur just by virtue of increased CPU speed alone… or did I read the post incorrectly? Thanks… Chris
#130792From: Trent HawkinsFeb 7, 1994 1:24 AM
Kevin, It has nothing to do with CPU speed (or maybe it does). The way it was explained to me was that all the startup software (ie drivers/tasks for drives, assigns etc.) would all be loaded into your faster fast ram instead of chip ram. This would be where you would see your speed up. Trent Flying near the Pole in the Great White North
#130963From: Brian BartlettFeb 8, 1994 1:13 AM
Chris, to understand this you have to understand something about the way the Amiga uses its memory chips. A part of the system is designated as Chip RAM and a part as Fast RAM. The Chip RAM is accessible to the CPU as well as the custom chips that give the Amiga its speedy graphics, sound, etc. The CPU and the custom chips split the amount of time that each has access to this bank of memory, with the CPU having one half the clock cycles and the custom chips the other half. Unless something comes along that requires heavy duty cycles for the custom chips, they can lock the CPU out if they need to, this is the rule. With Fast RAM, the custom chips can't touch it, so the CPU has access to it 100% of the time, unlike Chip RAM which it has only 50% of the time, or less. Now, let us say you add an accelerator that doesn't have any RAM of its own. True, you will get some measure of speed up due to the CPU have an instruction and data cache, but it will on be marginal at best. The CPU is still limited to the speed by which it access the Fast RAM and Chip RAM on the motherboard, which is not very fast at all. Basically, the CPU spends much of its time waiting around for the memory to get back to it with the information it needs, either instructions or data, to continue the task it is running. I'd guess about a 50% speed up when comparing an '030 to a 68000 and much less when comparing an '030 to an '020 (the main difference is that the '030 has a data cache), which probably won't be noticed by most users. On the other hand, if you add 32 bit high speed Fast RAM to the equation, things change markedly. Since the memory is operating at a much higher speed that either the Fast RAM or Chip RAM on the motherboard, it can do a better job of keeping the CPU in instructions and/or data since it is operating closer to the actual information requirements of the CPU. So, without the "Faster" RAM, you won't notice much if any improvement. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#131021From: Chris LesterFeb 8, 1994 1:55 PM
My goodness… I have just learned a truckload… and I thank you immeasurably for the lesson on CHIP vs FAST ram… If I read this correctly, then just adding fast ram (32 bit) to my A1200 (which is here now, BTW…) will increase my CPU performance? Thanks again… Chris
#131207From: Steve AhlstromFeb 9, 1994 2:34 PM
Chris, But just adding fast ram to your A1200 you will see a dramatic speed improvement. It has nothing to do with CPU performance, it has to do with how often the ram can be accessed … it can be accessed twice as fast on the fast side of the buss. -sja
#131268From: Chris LesterFeb 9, 1994 8:12 PM
Great… that's next ont he wish list…. right after they start making 2.5 drives again! <g>
#131360From: Brian BartlettFeb 10, 1994 4:55 AM
Chris, it's a regular question <G>. There is an advantage, besides allowing the CPU some memory that it has exclusive access to, by adding some Fast RAM. It will move stuff out of that valuable Chip RAM so you can have more windows open, use bigger fonts, run more graphics programs at the same time, etc. It's a shame they don't come with some Fast RAM installed. Brian bjbart@watserv.ucr.edu
#131432From: Chris LesterFeb 10, 1994 3:58 PM
Another question now…. (Will I EVER shut up?) If I use PCMCIA memory as a "ram disk" will it still slow down the computer even though it is being adressed as a peripheral instead of FAST ram? Just curious…. Chris
#130570From: Jonathan SchmidtFeb 5, 1994 8:18 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm really excited and hope I can get one as well! Jonathan Schmidt – On AutoPilot from CompuServe Land