CompuServe Thread

#Virus ??

25 messages in this thread
#28490From: eli tishbergJan 2, 1989 8:23 PM
Hi all, I gotta real funny thing happening. If I look at the system clock using preferences it says its the right time. If I look at it using the SETCLOCK command it also says the correct date and time. The only problem is that when I save a file it saves it with the4 date Dec 99 9999 99:99. Boy is that annoying. It means death to my incremental HD backups not to mention its a tip that something is wrong !!! I have tried using the StrTc (StartClock) utilitiy but that doesn't seem to do much for me either.. A new Virus perhaps ??? Any ideas Any suggestions ??? Where is the battery located for the clock in a 2000 ? I have no qualms about AmigaSurgery as I am comfortable with IC's and th3e like but will it help and where can I find the battery ??? Lost in time…. eli
#28533From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 2, 1989 11:18 PM
eli, I can't tell you what to do about your clock (though I think that was answered in a message just a few days ago), but I can tell you that there just isn't enough ram in the clock to hold a virus – so THAT is not the problem. Betty
#28535From: eli tishbergJan 2, 1989 11:28 PM
Betty, thanx for the incredibly speedy reply to my 'virus' question. I never believed there was a clock virus but what else do you think it could be ??? Any ideas ??? Anybody I could ask who might know ? eli
#28556From: Mike BerroJan 3, 1989 1:49 AM
A friend of mine called me about the same problem tonite (from Hawaii!). He was using SetClock on his A1000, which isn't a good idea. What hardware do you have? —Mike
#28742From: eli tishbergJan 4, 1989 12:37 AM
Mike, well, I have a 2000 with 3 megs of ram and a 40 meg hard drive with a GVP controller card. When I 'list' the files I get the correctly saved date. Its just when I use diskmaster that the 99 stuff happens. Hmmm…. + eli
#28755From: Mike BerroJan 4, 1989 1:39 AM
Eli, I had thought it was DiskMaster that was causing the problem, but I don't have it, so couldn't be sure. The guy had an A1000, and had opened it up assuming that the clock battery had died. >sigh< —Mike
#29276From: Bill RogersJan 7, 1989 1:47 AM
Eli, For what it's worth, I'm having the same problem on my AMI 1000 with 1 Meg Insider Board and clock. I'm also "viewing" the files via Diskmaster. My problem seems to have begun right after New Year. <Strange> BR — Canton, Ohio
#28717From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 3, 1989 11:51 PM
Eli, There is probably a bug in the clock software. Those exact numbers have been given by others. Betty
#28718From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 3, 1989 11:51 PM
Eli, Which clock are you running? The built-in one from the 500/2000? The Insider? Which? That would make a difference to people trying to help you. Betty
#28747From: eli tishbergJan 4, 1989 12:44 AM
Betty ( and everyone else following this thread) I am using an a2000 with 3 megs of ram and a GVP hard disk controller with a miniscribe 40 meg Harddisk. Also my 2000 has two 3.5 drives. There are no tasks 'runback-ed' and the only thing running is VirusX. Hmm.. naybe thats the next thing I'll remove. Also the 99 thing only shows up when I get a dir with DiskMAster. If I 'list' the directories in question I get correct dates. This worries me 'cause something is wrong. Any more idears?? eli
#28761From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 4, 1989 2:42 AM
Eli, That funny date is a problem with DiskMaster (and other programs)… they're not properly handling the date conversion routines. It seems that lots of programs have this problem. Don
#28840From: Richard Rae/SYSOPJan 4, 1989 8:31 PM
FYI, Progressive became aware of this problem immediately after December 31st… about the same time as the rest of us. 8) The bug has already been found and squashed. They were planning on an upgrade update later in the year, but because of this problem they are discussing how to handle an immediate fix update. Rick
#28932From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 5, 1989 1:45 AM
Rick, My question is why didn't they become aware of it before they released the software? Every date routine I've ever written I always test both back and forth in 'time' to make sure it works over various dates, including leap years, etc. Don
#28976From: Richard Rae/SYSOPJan 5, 1989 11:54 AM
Exactly my point (see elsewhere in the thread). Makes you wonder, don't it? In defense of Progressive, THEY did not write the software (I am told). DiskMaster is a package written by an independent who built a contract with PP&S. Granted that PP&S might have done some of their own testing, but it's really the responsibility of the writer to do this. They may have insisted on testing, and he/she said "It's thoroughly tested and bug-free". What do you do in those cases? (Me, I'd ask to see the test logs. But most people don't even seem to know what a test log IS, let alone keep one.) Rick
#29101From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 6, 1989 1:12 AM
Rick, Any publisher that puts out a software package had better beta test it themselves. If they don't….they are just as responsible as the author. Don
#29196From: Richard Rae/SYSOPJan 6, 1989 7:55 PM
True, and conceeded. Rick
#28858From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 4, 1989 9:41 PM
Eli, I don't use DiskMaster myself, but several people have reported here and on Usenet that it has a problem with dates since the new year began. I think that is where your problem lies. In fact, several very popular programs have turned out to have date problems this week. There will probably be an update to correct this soon. In the meantime, can you get along with your system dates? I don't know another solution if you really need DiskMaster. Betty
#28898From: eli tishbergJan 4, 1989 11:41 PM
Betty, No problem in doing w/o diskmasters correct dates. As soon as I realized DM was the problem I paid it no heed. Seems like a weird thing to happen to a program as all it has to do is read the date stamp. Oh well, thanx anyway for all the help. I appreciate it.. eli
#29129From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 6, 1989 9:10 AM
Eli, Some program seems to turn up with this problem almost every January – and especially when a leap year is involved. Maybe things will go well for the next three years, at least. Betty
#28683From: Vic WagnerJan 3, 1989 10:35 PM
"when I save a file" what program are you using to 'save' the file?
#28746From: eli tishbergJan 4, 1989 12:41 AM
Vic, Well, anytime i move,save or makedir thats the date I get. no matter what i do thats what happens. If I look at the date using the list command the date is fine. It seems that the 99 thing happens when I look at the files with diskmaster. Any new files (the animation I am doing) are saved with this date but only when I view the files using diskmaster. Otherwise they appear to be alright. Sure, you could say "don't use diskmaster" but something is wrong somewhere and it bugs me. eli
#28895From: Vic WagnerJan 4, 1989 11:34 PM
Eli, right….something is 'wrong' and it IS diskmaster. I'm sorry, but the "don't use diskmaster" is currently the only solution.
#28900From: eli tishbergJan 4, 1989 11:43 PM
vic: thanx for the help. Actually as soon as I realized it was diskmaster and ONLY diakmaster I didn't pay much attention. Everything else reads the dates ok and that was all I was worried about. Incremental HD backups can be a pain w/o dates. Anyway thanx for the help… eli
#28990From: colin foxJan 5, 1989 1:28 PM
We're having some strange problems at work with the clocks. Most of the 1000's we've got have insiders, and therefore a battery-backed clock. One one machine, you type `rtclock' (the command to copy the insider's clock to the system clock) and it shows the right time, but when you look at the date (with DATE) it is yesterday!?!? AND, on a machine besides that one, the system date read Wednesday, Jan _5_ 1989?!? What gives? — Colin —
#29054From: Dean BrownJan 5, 1989 10:23 PM
Colin, The clocks on the Insiders are correct, it's the software that reads the clock that's messed up. When converting from the HW clock internal format to AmigaDos' number of seconds since Jan 1 1978, #@looses a day between '88 and '89. My apologies, it's my fault. I tested that code for a few dozen different possible problem areas, but obviusly missed that one. In any case, I just uploaded a new version of RTClock to Lib 6, so as soon as the Sysops get to it, it'll be available. This time I used the builtin date conversion routines supplied with the Lattice compiler, so with any luck, there will be no more problems. -Dean