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#83161From: Paul VaalaFeb 11, 1994 5:15 PM
How / where can I find drivers that work with FLITAPE (part of Animator Pro 1.3) ? Are there any floating around or are they only supplied along with certain items of video hardware ? What I am trying to do is use the combination of a Magni Video Producer Pro (VGA-to-NTSC) and a Diamond Speedstar 24x (24-bit colour SVGA board) as a kind of framebuffer with FLITAPE. It has been suggested to me that between them the two boards combine the basic functions of a framebuffer card, so I would like to pursue this option as far as I can before being forced to spend $3000 for yet another video card. I realize that it may not be the best or easiest way to go, but I still need to know if it is even possible at all.
#83258From: Thomas FlanneryFeb 11, 1994 11:23 PM
Paul, This is a tough one… I've spent a lot of time trying to get combinations of video cards, frame buffers and the Magni to work together, and I've never come across a driver that could work with a standard VGA type card. The problem is most likely technical since the Magni reqiures the feature connector of the VGA card for signal pass through. The driver would have to be able to control the VGA cad video memory while at the same time have it display what is required for the application, in this case Animator Pro. I think all of those things are matter/anti-matter in the video world. I may be totally wrong, but I've had one hell of a time getting my Magni and my video card to work with various programs. I use a CG (character generator) from Sheriff systems and it will only work with specific chip sets. Then if you crank up the refresh rate of the monitor… everything gets wierd… Sooo…. I think you can get a targa clone from Visionetics (see AV Video January page 38 PH# 310-316-9470 ) They are cheaper than a Targa+ and I think the results are supposed to be comprable.
#83706From: Paul VaalaFeb 14, 1994 2:43 PM
Thanks Thomas, I seem to be stuck with the Magni card, which may be a fine piece of hardware but doesn't do what I need. I was really hoping that there might be some way to get use out of it rather than buying <another> video board. If I wind up paying for too much stuff I don't need I'll never be able to get the equipment I do. Character generation is all well and good (I've got the Sheriff thing too) but its' not the primary focus just now.
#83833From: Thomas FlanneryFeb 15, 1994 12:10 AM
Paul, Don't feel stuck with the Magni, Since Flic files are only 8 bit there would be no advantage to a frame buffer for image display. If you turn down the depth of the speedstar to 8bit (assuming that you can do that for DOS) it should be fast enough for you to record real time from the magni. If the file is too large to fit in memory it may start to slow down. In that cast the frame buffer would help, but only if you can do frame by frame edits. If you have enough memory you can run from a Ramdisk, instead of the hard disk, again this only works if the file fits. Don't know what the end result is that you are trying to achieve…. but I'm not sure from what you've said that a frame buffer would help. I use a Targa+ for some of my work, but almost never do I use the FLIC format for final work… Just not good enough for the broadcast level I need. If I do quick and dirty corporate videos I have used the Flitape and Targa… but only because the file was very large. If you do any kind of work in pixal depths grater than 8 bit then a frame buffer is an investment that you cannot be without in many cases. Tom
#83958From: Paul VaalaFeb 15, 1994 2:26 PM
[B [B [B/EXIT Even when the Flics are played back from ram they run between 8-10 fps. Speeding them up means reducing detail or resolution, either of which tends to make them (even) more cartoonish / less realistic. Not good. Ideally what i'd like to be able to do is take a thousand sequentially numbered frames from the hard drive and lay them off to videotape so that when they [Apush PLAY there would be 30-some seconds of smooth animation. The renderings start out as .TGA files before they go into the Flic, and while I personally think that 24bit colour is the way to go others have peered over my shoulder and said that 256 looks good enough, now just make it run smoother. I'm pushing for a framebuffer as a solution to both colour AND speed but first I have to prove that it's absolutely necessary 'cuz I've checked everything else. If I just had buckets of money a lot of problems would be solved!
#83964From: Jonas Ruikis [ADESK]Feb 15, 1994 2:45 PM
Paul, << If I just had buckets of money a lot of problems would be solved!>> It sounds that you would be happy with products like the PAR or MAX and you wouldn't need buckets of cash. jonas[adesk]
#84277From: Paul VaalaFeb 16, 1994 3:48 PM
This is perfectly true, but I have been told in no uncertain terms that we will not be buying any equipment that we aren't 100% sure of. As I understand it the MAX is not shipping just yet (no way to get a look at it) and the PAR has just started but are on back-order and come by way of the Pyros Partnership in Calif. which is not exactly in my backyard (Edmonton, Alberta) so I can't just pop 'round for a quick look-see. It's not easy being small potatoes. Paul
#84041From: Thomas FlanneryFeb 15, 1994 8:35 PM
Sounds like the frame buffer is the way to go. that way you can keep your 24 bit images. Jonas has recommended the PAR or Max which would eliminate the need for a single frame edit deck if you dont have one. If you do have the single frame edit deck then the Targa or it's clones would be cheaper. The software and hardware to do single frame editing would exceed the cost of the PAR by 2x if the prices are as I remember. I sure somebody has a good idea of the basic costs. I've already done the investment in full blown editing, so single frame came for free (Kinda… ). I've believe that the Sanyo deck has the software and every thing needed for sinlge frame editing… but you still need the frame buffer. The total cost of that kind of solution would be ~$4-5K. That's more than the PAR I'm pretty sure. Can't imagine that an 8 bit image looks as good as a 24 bit image. Best to keep the resolution when you can. I get picky over using the 16 bit images that the Targa Vmaker+ supports. I can see banding in the colors from images that started out as 24 bit.
#84279From: Paul VaalaFeb 16, 1994 4:00 PM
Yeah, We're looking into getting a Targa+ and we may be able to rent the Sayno before we decide we need to buy it. I'm quite keen on the PAR after everything that's come out of this forum but it's much more likely that anything we buy will be from someone much closer at hand to deal with any setup/initailization difficulties. Unfortunately this kind of limits the options as there's no-one around here that carries the very newest stuff like the MAX or PAR. If we can't see it work first we won't buy it (due to having overly high expectations of the Magni card – lack of proper information there) Paul
#84320From: Thomas FlanneryFeb 16, 1994 6:34 PM
<<Can't see it won't buy it>> Boy Paul, that's my credo also… I have some many people say "Yeah it will work, no problem". only to find out that that they meant on some other hardware in some other universe…. If I can take it home and plug it into my studio to see it work. I won't buy…. Had a Panasonic MX50 once brought it home and found out you couldn't auto edit from a non VTR source to an A/B roll… Back it went… and I didn't spend the time to have to try and get a refund…. Tom