#CD32 Emulation on Amiga
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Mark,
> Remember now, you can have CD ROM today if you wish it.
Yes, but it's my understanding that a SCSI CD-ROM drive will not be
able to utilize CD32 disks. The available SCSI CD-ROM disks leave a lot to
be desired. I dn't think Mel wanted a CD-ROM drive just for the sake of
having it. 😎 I think he wanted to know if a CD-ROM drive would be
available for the Amiga that could utilize the CD32 disks.
Dom Fontana
–> Sent from NY via AP <–
Problem with emulating the CD32 is (as I understand it) that most CD32
games address only the joypad. Even with a CDROM drive built into the
Amiga 4000 you cannot run most of the CD32 Games, despite having AGA
graphics, because you have no JoyPad addresses. CDTV Emulation is
possible through the Xetec CDx software which gets around this
problem, so maybe its justa question of time before CD32 emulation
(obviously only on A1200 & A4000) is possible.
Richard Small
Dom,
Yep, I realize that. However, I couldn't really tell from his message as
to whether he wanted access to the CD ROM titles that are out there like
Fred Fish, GIF Galore, etc.
So I thought I would point out that he could have a CD ROM today if he
wanted it.
-mark=
Otto Pilot Engaged..
Just a note,
Products like ASIM 2.0 and others support DCTV formats but there
are incompatiablities. I have tried many and the results are
about 50/50. Sometimes you could get a CDTV disk to work in a
CD-ROM equipped Amiga just by copying fonts….however
CD32 is a different matter 🙂
Shawn
Silent Paw Productions
I wonder if a CD32 add in for the 1200 makes sense. Seems like this
add in would have to have most of the parts of the CD32 onboard
anyway. Plus the cost of tooling up the casework & FCC approval. I
can't imagine it being much cheaper than the CD32 itself. There are
only two reasons to have a CD32 adaptor on the 1200. 1: to play CD32
disks, and 2: to access CD ROM disks. I think both of those could be
solved cheaper just by using a CD32 system itself, with some form of
networking deal… Maybe by connecting the 1200's PCMCIA slot to the
CD32's expansion bus. That way the only new thing needed would be the
interface.
Personally,
I believe CBM has made another CDTV mistake with CD2. The CD32 has
the potential to help rather than harm Amigas. As of right now (as I
know) no CD32 game will run on an Amiga. My question is why??
There are many CD-ROM equipped Amiga users out there that look to the
IBM platform and see the explosion of CD titles. Granted the market
is about 10,000 per 1 Amiga but it seems as though this is the media
to exploit for Amiga graphics, especially games.
Money is being lost at CBM, I hope someone wakes up and pulls CBM out
of a spin with some type of patch to at least allow a AA Chipset
CD-ROM equipped Amiga to take advantage of those titles.
"Wouldn't it be lovely" 🙂
>As of right now (as I know) no CD32 game will run on an Amiga. My
>question is why??
The CD32 encompasses more than just an A1200 and a CD, there is a port
for the FMV module and there is the Akiko chip that some games are
utilizing. To run these games on an A1200 or A4000 would take more
than just a CD, it would take at least the Akiko and possibly
additional things.
At the current time, your Amiga does not have all the hardware that is
in the CD32. Since many of the better games, etc., are using that
hardware, they won't work in an Amiga with only a CDROM drive.
I agree on the majority of what you say, however you'd have thought
that those games which don't use the special hardware in the CD32
(Akiko chip) will probably run on a CD-ROM base Amigas.
The software houses should think about marketing this fact to the
buying public. They are singing the praises of CD-ROM's right now,
so why not start offering it to a wider market; those Amiga owners
with CD-ROMs, but not CD32s.
Sure the games wouldn't be as inpressive as native CD32 games, but
I'm sure there are more Amiga owners with CD-ROMs than there are
CD32's at the moment.
When this situation changes, why not release two versions of the game
(I don't know whats involved in coding the new hardware, so this may
mean a complete re-write and hence be too expensive to implement) on
the same CD-ROM for both CD32 users and CD-ROM users opening the
product up to more potential users and hard cash for them (which is
what motivates everyone in the computer industry apart from us
small-timers <g>).
Just my opinion 🙂
Kevin 68030/40 A1200…
Flying AutoPilot from Surrey in the UK
Well, if the CD32 is a mistake I wouldn't say it was as much of a goof
up as the CDTV. At least, there is a market for game consoles. I
never understood what the CDTV was supposed to be- a computer
pretending to be a stereo component??
If the CD32 is successful in the US, it's going to have to be due to
sales to non-Amiga owners. Those buyers won't need compatibility with
their computers. I have 4 Amigas, including one with CD ROM.(No AA
though) You're certainly right that all those cloneland CD-ROM titles
are tempting. But that's going to take emulation for anything other
than data type disks. I use a couple of picture disks (not *those*
pictures!) from cloneland quite well.
CBM has said they're working on CD32- plugins for the 1200 & 4000. I
still think it would be easier to just buy a CD32.
PMFJI, but I have a basic question,
Has emulation evolved to the point where I could use something like
EMPLANT or AMAX on my A2000 with an attached SCSI CD-ROM to play
MAC-Based CDs, use software like Photoshop, Kaos Tools, etc., and
access America On-line with their free software for PCs and Macs?
I'm a junior scout in the area of CDRom and emulation. Would love to
hear a yes to my question. Could it be….
Well… I don't have an answer for you. It ought to be possible, but
I can't speak from personal experience. You could ask over in the
Utilities Unlimited section of Amiga Vendor for info on the Emplant.
There's a version of Emplant with SCSI, so I'd assume it would work
with a CD-ROM. I don't know about Amax. I do have the original
cartridge Amax, but haven't got around to trying my CD-ROM with it.
That's on my list of things to do eventually. 🙂
-Jim
Stephen,
I asked Jim Drew (CEO of Utilites Unlimited) in the CO last week
about what he would recommend as the minimum Amiga system to use with
EMPLANT. His answer was an A3000. You want to get above the 8MB
memory limitation of the 2000, around 16MB is desirable.
I'd like to hear from any EMPLANT users whose base machine is an
A2000.
Chris,
In response, what if my A2000 has an '040 (33mHz) and 18MB RAM? I missed
the conference, hopefully it will be edited and posted.
Stephen Bailey
Sawyer & Bailey Film & Video CIS # 72773,2451
Then I say get the EMPLANT try it and then report back here about your
results!
Christopher-
I use one of my Emplants on an A2000 with a PP&S 28Mhz 040 populated with
16MB of 32bit RAM. Works great! The A3000 has the Zorro III, that is the
only advantage that I can see.
-Jonathan
// Amiga online via Autopilot
\\// MAC Quadra 900 & 486 emulation via Amiga!
Commodore has no intention on making a 1200 thingie to play CD32
titles. If you want to play them, buy a CD32. They are 2 different
products for 2 different markets. This comes from uncle Lew himself
and Jim Dionne on his last day of employment. Jeff still thinks it
isn't going to happen.
Well I am back from travel to add to this thread again,
The CD32 IS an Amiga. At its roots it possess the fundemental heart
and soul of an Amiga.
My somewhat negative comments toward the CD32 are made at both a
professional and user level.
As a professional I see CBM spending ALOT of money pushing the CD32.
While I would have thought 2 years ago that this was great, CDTV has
taught me otherwise. Why isn't CBM putting their money into the
Amiga and new Amigas. They have a wonderful niche market which they
can only maintain through trying to be competitive and offer
something other platforms don't have.
Nintendo and Sega Genesis spend MILLIONS of dollars to promote their
products. CD32, will have only a following from the Amiga community
because of zero exposure on TV. This results in low US sales, which
results in fewer third party products, which results in an overall
loss in the US market place.
It is well known that Amiga owners by more new CBM products than new
users. Without those MILLIONS in advertising there will be fewer new
users than other game platforms.
Let me say I am not mad, but I am concerned for CBM's future in the
US. I for one will not go out and buy a CD32 just to have yet
another deadend product in a few months.
If new users are reading this thread my best advice is to buy an
Amiga 4000. Buy a CD-ROM with or for your unit. This is the best
way to take advantage of changes that will for certain hit the Amiga
community soon.
Ah tis lovely to go on and on 🙂
Just what is available for the A4000 in CD-ROM titles? I realize that
CDTV may work (If it's not 1.3 specific), and CD32 may be made
compatible… but other than the Fred Fish library, and other large
CD based PD archives, what is there for us in the CDRom world?
(Looking in retro at this message, it looks a little glib, and I
apologize, but I am sincerely asking this question… A CD-ROM would
be really nice, (so would a 4000 :-), but would it be an expensive
paperweight, or could I get some serious computing out of it?)
There are many CDTV titles which will work on an Amiga equipped with
a CD-ROM and a Xetec or Asimware driver. There is at least one
encyclopedia and atlas, several discs on gardening, many games will
work as well. I'm appending an old compatability list from Xetec's
driver, but you contact Xetec directly to find out about any specific
titles: