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#73917From: E. J. Lippert IIJun 27, 1987 12:37 AM
We have just announced our controllers for the 2000 and 500 at a suggested retail of $199.95. With normal dealer margins (meaning room to discount). Can Perry compete in that price range? Also we have a new driver which will be posted here soon that will (using Piskperfa or the Amizing composite `real-world' tests) move our unit's speed better that the competition's DMA drive, without in- curring the penalties of using DMA.
#73918From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJun 27, 1987 12:39 AM
I'm real curious…what would happen if I tried my HD with your driver? I presume they wouldn't work together…but I'm not brave enought to destroy all the data on the disk to find out…even with a backup. Have you by any chance tried anything like that?
#73927From: E. J. Lippert IIJun 27, 1987 1:30 AM
All drivers for AutoConfig Devices are Device Specific in that they call the Amiga `FindConfigDevice' routine to find out where the device is in the memory map. The call to find the device requires the use of the `Hardware Manufacturer's Code Number' provided by Commodore to all hardware developers. Without this code number (ours is 1004) you can't tell where our SCSI Host is, but using it precludes using our driver with other SCSI Host/Controllers. BTW, we have several `beta' sites up-and-running with our new multi-user software. Still a few bugs, but all reports have been very favorable. One application is using five (5) Amigas on a 150 MEG Micropolis. This system is used by five 1-800 operators taking orders from incoming telephone calls and logging them on a database, the guy says the system operates substantially faster than when all entries were made to the individual Amiga floppies and that the 5 units don't seem to slwo down the system access time at all. The guy also reports two to three crashes a week, requring rebooting of the system, but has incurred NO data loss resulting from the crashes. The next revision of our driver will fix that problem (we know what's causing it) and speed up the system even more.
#73927From: E. J. Lippert IIJun 27, 1987 1:30 AM
All drivers for AutoConfig Devices are Device Specific in that they call the Amiga `FindConfigDevice' routine to find out where the device is in the memory map. The call to find the device requires the use of the `Hardware Manufacturer's Code Number' provided by Commodore to all hardware developers. Without this code number (ours is 1004) you can't tell where our SCSI Host is, but using it precludes using our driver with other SCSI Host/Controllers. BTW, we have several `beta' sites up-and-running with our new multi-user software. Still a few bugs, but all reports have been very favorable. One application is using five (5) Amigas on a 150 MEG Micropolis. This system is used by five 1-800 operators taking orders from incoming telephone calls and logging them on a database, the guy says the system operates substantially faster than when all entries were made to the individual Amiga floppies and that the 5 units don't seem to slwo down the system access time at all. The guy also reports two to three crashes a week, requring rebooting of the system, but has incurred NO data loss resulting from the crashes. The next revision of our driver will fix that problem (we know what's causing it) and speed up the system even more.
#73918From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJun 27, 1987 12:39 AM
I'm real curious…what would happen if I tried my HD with your driver? I presume they wouldn't work together…but I'm not brave enought to destroy all the data on the disk to find out…even with a backup. Have you by any chance tried anything like that?
#73933From: John DraperJun 27, 1987 1:58 AM
Penalties of DMA? If you are talking a price penalty, I can understand, but am having difficulty figuring out what else you might mean. Could you clarify?
#73937From: E. J. Lippert IIJun 27, 1987 2:17 AM
Yes Price is the major penalty, but there are some other more subtle prices to pay when DMA is used. Most notably in our case, our SCSInet would be virtually imopssible to implement on a DMA basis. (This is per the programmer of same, I will check further to see if he means `impossible' or just a lot more work that he's willing to exert.)
#73937From: E. J. Lippert IIJun 27, 1987 2:17 AM
Yes Price is the major penalty, but there are some other more subtle prices to pay when DMA is used. Most notably in our case, our SCSInet would be virtually imopssible to implement on a DMA basis. (This is per the programmer of same, I will check further to see if he means `impossible' or just a lot more work that he's willing to exert.)
#73933From: John DraperJun 27, 1987 1:58 AM
Penalties of DMA? If you are talking a price penalty, I can understand, but am having difficulty figuring out what else you might mean. Could you clarify?
#73964From: Perry S. Kivolowitz/ASDJun 27, 1987 1:17 PM
Ed, your query “Can Perry compete in that price range?'' belies an important misconception that you have about ASDG. We are not interested in competing with anyone in low end market. In fact, we are not even IN the low end market. People who purchase from ASDG have their reasons. They usually dismiss low end product lines, such as yours, out of hand for reasons of incompatible needs versus capabilities. This is not to say that ASDG products are right for everyone. Nor am I saying C Ltd products are wrong for everyone. Simply, that our two company's are not competitors at the present time. Perry S. Kivolowitz – ASDG Incorporated – (201) 563/0529
#73964From: Perry S. Kivolowitz/ASDJun 27, 1987 1:17 PM
Ed, your query “Can Perry compete in that price range?'' belies an important misconception that you have about ASDG. We are not interested in competing with anyone in low end market. In fact, we are not even IN the low end market. People who purchase from ASDG have their reasons. They usually dismiss low end product lines, such as yours, out of hand for reasons of incompatible needs versus capabilities. This is not to say that ASDG products are right for everyone. Nor am I saying C Ltd products are wrong for everyone. Simply, that our two company's are not competitors at the present time. Perry S. Kivolowitz – ASDG Incorporated – (201) 563/0529