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#164736From: Doug MitchellJan 26, 1995 10:25 PM
Hi, Martin– Your mention of $10 batteries suggests another ingredient for a quake preparation kit – they will need replacing in the kit every so often, but you cannot be sure of finding more batteries even at $10. Don't be too hard on the "scuzballs" – whether they have it in mind or not, the high price on those batteries tends to insure they are there for someone who needs them enough to pay so much. If they continued to sell at the normal price, the dealers and first customers after the quake would scarf up more batteries than they really need, and latecomers, no matter how great their need, would find none. The high price also makes people get a move on bringing in more batteries, so the price/supply situation will return to normal faster. Furthermore, the high price gets stories told that make encourage people to store batteries for a quake, so it will not be as bad next time. Save the bricks to build unreinforced masonry prisons atop faults, to house the builders who cheated on the specs to make buildings that fell… –Doug
#164862From: Al BalmerJan 27, 1995 7:55 PM
Doug, >> Don't be too hard on the "scuzballs Interesting point. Here in NY, it's illegal to raise prices in the wake of a disaster, unless you can prove that it was a "natural" increase you're just passing on the the buyer. Several local merchants were prosecuted after the big ice storm a few years ago. The real value of California is so the rest of us can think camping in a house with no power or heat for a week or so really isn't so bad <G>. Al
#165075From: Doug MitchellJan 28, 1995 9:54 PM
Hi, Al– While some people may have camped inside their houses without heat/power, many hit hard enough by a quake to have lost utilities will camp outside the house, for fear aftershocks will finish it off. A serious non-Calif. winter would have made the situation far worse. Another item for your quake-preparedness kit: Rod found a hardhat with miner's lamp very handy (and comforting, no doubt) after the Northridge quake for forays into his powerless house. –Doug
#165361From: Al BalmerJan 30, 1995 10:40 PM
Doug, Luckily, the only noticable quake we've had around here in recent years turned out to really be a massive salt mine collapse. It did jiggle the seismographs, though, and fooled some people for a while. Al
#165487From: Doug MitchellJan 31, 1995 11:22 PM
Hi, Al– I am not sure where I saw it, but I recall recently seeing a map of quake magnitude hazards in the U.S., and being surprised to see a dangerous region in upstate NY. The map was saying nothing about how often quakes might occur, but was saying when they occur, they would be really nasty in the dangerous regions. In that view, Buffalo looked as bad as L.A.! Add general unpreparedness and things could get rather bad. I do not recall how close to you that region reached… –Doug
#165544From: Ben WilliamsFeb 1, 1995 2:23 PM
Doug, That map, at least _a_ map, was in a recent Time. Ben
#165739From: Doug MitchellFeb 2, 1995 10:30 PM
Hi, Ben– I must have seen the quake map somewhere else – I have not seen an issue of Time in quite a while. –Doug
#165562From: Al BalmerFeb 1, 1995 4:44 PM
Doug, I'm not really up on it, but I know there have been quakes within a couple of hendred miles of Rochester, as I recall, on the edge of the Adirondacks near the Canadian border. You're right about the potential for big trouble. In the urban areas, we're fairly well prepared for ice & snow, floods, and such, but I doubt that anyone has given serious thought to a disastrous quake. Al
#165740From: Doug MitchellFeb 2, 1995 10:30 PM
Hi, Al– That unpreparedness in terms of building codes and whatnot could be costly. But the good news is that some forms of preparedness apply to other potential disasters as well. Having some cash, batteries, tools, etc. handy should be just as helpful whether it is a hurricane or a quake. –Doug
#165805From: Al BalmerFeb 3, 1995 12:49 PM
Hi, Doug I've made an effort to stay prepared, since our week in the cold after the ice storm, but it's surprising how soon we forget. The first year after, there were an amazing number of electrical generators in people's garages. The second year, there were an amazing number offered at garage sales <g>. I've still got mine, along with a cable made up to plug it into the house wiring. Al
#166090From: Don KenneyFeb 5, 1995 3:08 AM
Having a home generator is all well and good, but you do understand that you need to have a provision for disconnecting your house from the power grid when you fire it up? If you don't, you will end up trying to provide power to the entire blacked out area. More important, you may kill or injure electrical workers trying to fix the problem.
#166221From: Al BalmerFeb 5, 1995 7:13 PM
Don, I thought that was too obvious to mention. Al
#164922From: Don KenneyJan 28, 1995 2:49 AM
>>>Your mention of $10 batteries suggests another ingredient for a quake preparation kit – they will need replacing in the kit every so often…<<< Stash them in a plastic bag in the back of your freezer or the freezer section of the fridge. The speed of chemical reactions at -10 degrees C is about three orders of magnitude slower than at room temp, so batteries don't go dead or corrode very quickly if you freeze them and keep them frozen. (And, yes, they work when you take them out).
#165064From: Guy HammerJan 28, 1995 8:46 PM
Hi, Don > The speed of chemical reactions at -10 degrees C is about three orders of > magnitude slower than at room temp, so batteries don't go dead or corrode > very quickly if you freeze them … > (And, yes, they work when you take them out). I assume that you mean that you have to let them thaw out before you expect them to work? <g> Thanks for the tip. Regards, Guy
#165076From: Doug MitchellJan 28, 1995 9:54 PM
Hi, Don– That sounds like an excellent idea for normal battery-hoarding, but remember that that freezer may become difficult/dangerous to reach in the event of really bad quake damage. The best place for a quake kit is outside the house. Crowbars, work gloves, flashlights, and whatnot could be handy for re-entering the house to free trapped people and get other supplies – unless they are inside the house. I have such in my car trunk at all times, and they prove handy for other reasons (driving emergencies, impromptu collecting) – batteries beyond those for the flashlight could be saved in the fridge to be "rescued" at need. Have you tried freezing batteries enough to know if they become more leak-prone? Thermal stress might do that, I suppose. A single-family standalone house may be unlikely to be flattened that badly –Doug
#165238From: Don KenneyJan 30, 1995 3:37 AM
My mom has been stashing batteries in her freezer for about 40 years without problems, and I've done it myself for about 10. They work fine even before they "thaw" although they are a little weak at first. I doubt they actually freeze as the moisture inside them has an awfully high concentration of impurities.
#165488From: Doug MitchellJan 31, 1995 11:22 PM
Hi, Don– I was being a little silly in asking about leakage – the batteries in my car trunk have been subjected to a number of freeze/thaw cycles, not just one, and do not leak any more often than those kept indoors that I can tell. –Doug