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#Hardware Software Help

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#2825From: Jon BurkeenFeb 11, 1995 11:08 AM
Tim, Thank you for your response to my letter on the 10th. I have thought about the questions you asked. We should probably start with something basic. Applications I have invisioned are moving graphic logos and highlight arrows to point out particular details on our equipment. I want to add titling, music, and narration to the video presentation. We also need to be able to cut and paste the video into the sequence we prefer. However, we do not want to purchase something so basic that there is no room to expand to 3D graphics and animation at a later date. I would like to spend between five hundred and one thousand dollars on the initial setup. I am waiting to see software requiremnts before I purchase a new computer to run this on. Are there any publications, books or magazines, that could help me in making my decision? I would appreciate any further assistance you can offer. Thanks for your continued help, Jon Burkeen, 7155,2621
#2828From: Timothy LiebeFeb 11, 1995 11:52 AM
Jon: >Applications I have invisioned are moving graphic logos and highlight arrows to point out particular details on our equipment. I want to add titling, music, and narration to the video presentation. We also need to be able to cut and paste the video into the sequence we prefer. However, we do not want to purchase something so basic that there is no room to expand to 3D graphics and animation at a later date. I would like to spend between five hundred and one thousand dollars on the initial setup.< That's gonna be a toughie! As you may have gathered from reading the messages here, DTV ain't exactly cheap. The Studio Magic and the Snap Plus! video cards I mentioned in my last post both fall into that price range, but they're strictly VHS consumer level quality, and I'm not certain that they can upgrade that easily to what you want to eventually be able to do. Also, I wasn't all that impressed with the Studio Magic's genlock capabilities–I mean, it can *do* what you're asking for (and for $500, the price is right), but it's not what I'd call great quality. The problem is, Jon, that the cards themselves simply either input and/or output video (for your needs as explained above, BTW, you mostly need video output w/a live video pass-through at this point). Most of what you want to do requires software–animation software to animate logos, titling software for the titles, etc. Maybe what you should concentrate on is getting a decent genlock card in your price range–Magni makes a good one (the name of which I can't remember at the moment, of course!) and purchase the software as you need it. As for music and narration, you'd be better off at this point doing it standard linear-editing style. Speaking of which, have you factored editing VCRs and an edit controller into your equation? If you want to go a bit more expensive (but far more flexible), Fast makes the Video Machine Lite at around $2,500 that will do just about everything you need or will need (except for the software, which you'll have to get separately). It does A/B roll special effects, edit controlling, handles computer output to video, etc. >Are there any publications, books or magazines, that could help me in making my decision?< Absolutely–a number of the people responding (including me <g>) write for 'em. For magazines, I'd suggest DIGITAL VIDEO and NEW MEDIA for the latest in desktop video, VIDEOMAKER as a good overall magazine that integrates DTV and "prosumer" video (Matthew York on this forum is the publisher), VIDEO PRO and VIDEOGRAPHY if you want to see what the higher-end stuff is (Tim Whetmore on this forum is the editor of VIDEO PRO), and VIDEO (which I write for, BTW) for general consumer-level video w/an eye to prosumer. Hope this helps, Tim
#2878From: Jon BurkeenFeb 13, 1995 3:14 PM
Tim: I agree that I am going to have to go the more expensive rout. I have seen the add for Video Michine Lite. I also have seen an add for CineWorks do they con pair? I have seen several bundles of software with the Adobe Preiere is this along the lines of what I need? Last if I chose won of the above packages what more besides the Computer and the Video Camera would I need? I ma very grateful for your advice. Thank you Jon
#2917From: Timothy LiebeFeb 14, 1995 5:37 PM
Jon: >I have seen the add for Video Michine Lite. I also have seen an add for CineWorks do they con pair? < I don't know much about CineWorks, so I couldn't advise you. Does anyone else reading this thread know? >I have seen several bundles of software with the Adobe Preiere is this along the lines of what I need? < Not if you want for now to use linear editing with computer-generated titles, graphics and special effects. That's used for nonlinear editing (digitizing the video footage and then editing it on your computer, and finally outputting the digitized edited project out to video), which is a whole OTHER can of worms (Fast has a nonlinear editing setup, but it's fairly expensive). >if I chose won of the above packages what more besides the Computer and the Video Camera would I need?< If you're doing linear editing, you'll need editing VCRs–at least three of 'em (two for playback, one for recording). You camcorder (esp. if it's a Sony with LANC protocol) can serve as one of your playback VCRs if you need it to. Glad to be of service! Best, Tim
#2948From: Jeff SauerFeb 15, 1995 12:10 PM
Jon…Tim: >>I have seen the add for Video Michine Lite. I also have seen an add for CineWorks do they con pair? < >I don't know much about CineWorks, so I couldn't advise you. Does anyone else reading this thread know? VM-Lite and Cineworks are not really that similar. Video Machine Lite is a linear editor. As an edit controller it controls tape decks. The normal configuration is two source decks and a record deck (camcorders can be used as sources, but buy a service agreement because you'll be wearing down the heads). It uses a timeline interface that stores only timecode information, not digitized video. To preview or record edits, VM-Lite will tell the decks to go find clips. Cineworks is a non-linear software editor. It uses the Action Media II to digitize footage from a single source deck and then lets you cut and paste to edit. It also uses a timeline interface, which, with CineWorks, does relate to digitized media. VM-Lite does have a non-linear option called the Digital Player Recorder which enables one to work from both digitized footage or direct from tape or a combination of the two. The integration is quite smooth in terms of the interface. The DPR acts almost like another deck. It does add another $7,000 to the price, though. The CineWorks interface is not bad but it's the low end for TouchVision, which has their higher end DVision and DVision Pro. They've been doing this non-linear stuff for a while and that helps. As far as I know, it's still a single monitor interface, no NTSC monitor, with the two window above, timeline below look of AVID and EMC. Overall the software is pretty good. The problem is the hardware. The Action Media II card is rather dated now. The quality you'll get is probably fine for multimedia work, but, since CineWorks has no EDL option, you'll be doing on-line work and it might be disappointing. Rendering time for effects and transitions is, well, …software. If you're interested in CineWorks, there are rumors that TouchVision will finally announce new hardware at NAB. There's been a lot of talk about PCI, maybe that's part of it for TouchVision too. Jeff Sauer Desktop Video Group
#2997From: Timothy LiebeFeb 17, 1995 10:02 AM
Jeff: >VM-Lite and Cineworks are not really that similar. < Thanks for clearing that up! I was aware that the Video Machine Lite was strictly a linear editor, but didn't know from CineWorks… BTW, you're right about getting a service contract on your camcorder if you're going to use it as an editing deck–though manufacturers tout the editing capabilities of their camcorders, they *don't* bother to mention the wear&tear on your camcorder if you use it that way. I found out the hard way about that one–I used to use my RCA CC-360 as both a shooting and dubbing deck until my heads were so shot I had to spend $500 to get them repaired! That's what worries me about 8mm/Hi8 consumer-level camcorders–they're designing them to be easier to play back your tapes to your TV set, without any comment about the risk to your camcorder. Best, Tim