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#Exabyte and tape users?

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#2738From: SyndesisFeb 8, 1995 10:33 AM
Are there any users of Exabyte 8mm data tape drives out there? I've got a few utilities that are useful for these drives… actually, some of these utilities are good for any sorts of tape drives, for backup, data exchange with other types of computers, etc. Exabytes are often used by video people to exchange data to Abekas video systems.
#2742From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPFeb 8, 1995 10:58 AM
John, With the Toaster Flyer and the FAST DP/R coming on the market, high-capacity tape backups are going to become more important to the DTV producer. I have tried to get the Exabyte 2GB (uncompressed) and the Sony 4GB (uncompressed) DAT drives up with the Flyer (SCSI Port C) but I have not had any sucess. The same drive does work using someone else's controller therefore I blame FlyerScsi.device. I would be interested in your utilities and any other tips/tricks you might be able to share. -John
#2749From: SyndesisFeb 8, 1995 5:17 PM
I don't have a Flyer yet, but I'm sure I will eventually. Has NewTek said anything definitive about whether they've tested tape devices with the FlyerScsi.device? Perhaps they simply omitted those commands from the driver. 🙁 I agree, multi-gig backup devices are absolutely necessary. I don't know how people get along with these little 250 meg units. I've got a 5 gig Exabyte for backups, and I don't think the $8-10 tapes last long enough. With 2-3 gigs on hard drives on one machine in my office, I have to swap tapes almost daily, depending on what kind of backups I do. I've got a collection of 'tar' utilities for different machines: Amiga, Mac, WinNT, DOS. Plus a few batch files I made for my own use.
#2755From: Michael MiloffFeb 8, 1995 7:12 PM
John, We have an EXB8505XL for use with NewTek Flyer. I'm using our Warp Engines SCSII port because I can't get AmiBack to recognize it if I run from Flyer C port. Although it backs up at 30 mb / min. (its rated capacity) from my system drive it only runs at 8 mb / min. when backing up video from the Flyer. Apparently Flyers VTASK compression must be reinterpretted when passing through the Amiga's DOS busses. NewTek says they're working on the problem. I sure hope they hurry cause continued use of the Flyer could be tedious if my machine has to be down 12 to 20 hours between video projects. So . . . . What about your utillities? RUSS SPENCER / Michael Miloff & Associates
#2770From: SyndesisFeb 9, 1995 8:10 AM
For the Amiga, I only have 'tar' and the BTN tape drivers. With this, you can exchange tapes with Unix systems, as well as getting a TAPE: device. I use it for backing up the Amiga, along with a few 'execute' scripts to automate the process. Rated capacity is often far higher than the actual through-put, on any system, especially with the Exabyte. Actually, their figure is quite misleading. Even if you could dump data at 30 meg/sec, it couldn't write it to tape that quickly. The Amiga's SCSI is quite fast compared to most computers. Several years ago, I know that hard drive manufacturers were using them as inexpensive yet fast SCSI test machines, since they could move SCSI data faster than what was possible on PCs or Macs.
#2780From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPFeb 9, 1995 10:45 AM
Michael, I was able to get AmiBack to recognize an Exabyte 2GB DAT drive and the Sony 4GB DAT off of FlyerScsi.device, however whenever I did a backup of a system partition, through FlyerScsi.device I always got errors. -John
#2835From: Michael MiloffFeb 11, 1995 5:33 PM
Did you have to mount FC3: or whatever to get AmiBack to see the drives? I can mount the drive and get Opus to recognize it (but not read it) but AB doesn't seem to want to see it. Thanks for the reply, RUSS SPENCER / Micael Miloff & Associates
#2871From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPFeb 13, 1995 12:21 PM
Michael, No, I did not have to mount fc3:. What I did is run AmiBack and under configure tape dirve, I selected FlyerScsi.device Unit # 206 (Flyer C unit 6). Then it recognized the tape drive. At that time I did a back-up with "compare" as my verification, the back-up went fine but the "compare" reported all sorts of errors. -John
#2902From: Michael MiloffFeb 14, 1995 10:07 AM
Although I'm able to back up my Flyer with no verify errors off my WarpEngine SCSII port I'll try your suggestion re: the Flyer C port to see what happens, especially if it makes any difference in how much time it takes to back up. My 9 gig drive took 29 hours – yech! Russ Spencer / Michael Miloff & Associates
#2779From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPFeb 9, 1995 10:44 AM
John, My understanding is that they admit that they need to do a little more work on FlyerScsi.device. However, I think that they are also planing direct support of tape devices in a future .rev of the software that will give a higher performance by staying on the Flyer's SCSI bus or something. That makes me wonder if they are going to "fix" FlyerScsi.device or just make their own hacks around it. -John
#2776From: Jeffrey HeftFeb 9, 1995 10:39 AM
I'm working on a PC/DOS/Windows platform and looking at getting an 8505XL for backup (250 mgs/tape just doesn't cut it for a 2G HD) and data exchange to Abekas. Until now I was only aware of a product for Exabyte->Abekas from ASDG. I don't really know what this software does, what it should do, or whats involved in the data exchange with Abekas. Can you give an explanation? What differentiates your utilities from ASDG's? TIA, JDH
#2786From: SyndesisFeb 9, 1995 3:40 PM
The Abekas originally used its own data format on the tape. All tape devices just write "blocks" of data of a given size, and it's up to applications to pack and decipher the raw tape data. In the Abekas's case, it dumped the raw digitized video data to tape. So software like ASDG's reads and writes the Abekas' format of data. When I said "my" utilities, I didn't mean a product from my company, I meant some other freeware tools I'd collected and massaged a bit to make them more useful. For example, I have several versions of 'tar', a popular Unix utility for backing up files to tape. Newer Abekas machines will read 'tar' files that contain Targa image files, as I understand it, which makes the older proprietary format less useful. You could easily build a 'tar' tape of Targa files with the freeware 'tar' I found, for example.
#2800From: Jeffrey HeftFeb 10, 1995 9:12 AM
Thanks for the info. JDH