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#User Picture Directory

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#58549From: Paul GangwischMar 11, 1987 7:42 PM
Since the Amiga is such an excellent graphics tool, and digitized images have become so popular, I'd like to propose that Amigaforum establish a section for digital images of the members and sysops. Several services that I'm aware of are getting together "yearbooks" or pictorial directories. These are usually compiled from photos sent to some kind "volunteer," and the participants financially subsidize the preparation. Presumably, most of the members of this forum are Amiga owners, and again presumably, many own software that can display IFF format graphics files, or could download some from Amigaforum. So, it seems logical that we could have an online yearbook. Unfortunately, at this time I do not own any digitizing equipment, but maybe soon…and maybe some others might be interested in volunteering the services of theirs… I don't know, maybe this idea will fall flat, but it sounds rather interesting to me. I'm not a big CB'er, but don't they have some sort of picture files of users? The advantage for us is the common machine, and the common availability of the necessary software. Anyone else interested? Sysops?
#58552From: Doug Quinn / PICSMar 11, 1987 7:51 PM
Paul; The CB pictures are in a CIS graphics protocol called RLE, which works on almost any machine with at least a 256 by 192 graphics display (makes it real easy to share – black and white, too). Anyway, sounds like a fun idea to me; I might even volunteer my digi-view to do a few pictures now and then, too. -Doug
#58669From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 12, 1987 6:37 PM
Doug, Mayhaps, if this thing catches on, someone would do an IFF<->RLE converter, so that pictures could be swapped between our forums, allowing even more users access to both. Rick
#58670From: Doug Quinn / PICSMar 12, 1987 6:49 PM
Rick; That's certainly a possibility. In low res mode, RLE's 256×192 isn't all that much smaller; of course, it would be black and white on the RLE end, so we'd have to keep that in mind. But heck, I'd get the Amiga side going before I start to worry about such things as RLE; the world could change in the next six months. -Doug
#58671From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 12, 1987 6:53 PM
Yeah, what hurts RLE is the fact that it's binary, either off or on… so if you want grey scaling you have to dither, and that hurts the apparent resolution. Actually some of the high res RLE stuff I've dumped out looked pretty good… you could almost believe it was a real picture if you'd cross your eyes and squint. Going from RLE to Amiga would be trivial or difficult. Trivial if we just did a one to one translation. Difficult if we took time to decipher the dithering and truly greyscale the output. Going from IFF to RLE would be pretty straightforward too; just need to work out the dithering algorithm. I agree, let's get this ball rolling first, but let's keep this idea in mind too. Rick
#58720From: Steve AhlstromMar 13, 1987 12:17 AM
With RLE you lose all detail — it's like going back to VIC-20 graphics. What would be nice is for a term program to be able to READ (from the DL) an IFF pic and display it in real time.
#58761From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 13, 1987 7:27 AM
Yes, although I still believe that IFF->RLE would be useful, and it would be interesting to see how well IFF->RLE could be done. Absolutely, I want to see realtime IFF display, with simultaneous optional storage to disk. Rick
#58775From: Jim Nangano/SYSOPMar 13, 1987 5:00 PM
OK! OK! I get the hint! Jim
#58608From: Steve AhlstromMar 12, 1987 2:41 AM
I like the idea — People Pics. The problem is in the actual digitizing. I, like probably many others, have no facilities to do this. If someone would volunteer to digitize pictures for people who mailed them to them we could put together a 'yearbook' of our own. I don't know how long or involved the digitization process is, but, if we could come up with 3-4 (or more) people willing to do this something might be done to compensate them for their time and effort. We could post a list of the 'good samatarians' listing an address to send the photographs to. A person would send them 2 disks plus a self addressed stamped return mailer. The person doing the digitizing would keep one disk, stick the file on the other, and drop the mailer into the mail. Sound reasonable?
#58642From: Thomas HoladayMar 12, 1987 11:32 AM
I suggest Infominder format for the yearbook. I bet we could get six recognizable likenesses per screen, with a little Infominder Tidbit about each visage. I have been dying to do something practical with my Infominder compiler.
#58644From: Steve AhlstromMar 12, 1987 11:45 AM
That's a good idea in general — but it presupposes that everyone has Infominder! (Still the problem exists tho — getting the pic digitized in the first place)
#58658From: Thomas HoladayMar 12, 1987 4:06 PM
A world where everyone has Infominder is not such a bad world. Terrapin produced a liscensed distributable version of Infominder for C=A's developer documents, I bet they'd be approachable for a version for CIS Yearbook.
#58616From: John DraperMar 12, 1987 3:29 AM
I like the idea Paul! Especially since the Amiga is such a good medium for displaying "almost analog" pictures, ie. HAM digitizations. The only problem I forsee is finding a few people (the more the merrier) around the country that could do the digitizing. It would be fairly easy for those in large cities to find someone nearby who could do the digitizing, but for those who can't for one reaon or another, a digitization of a photo would serve quite well. As for those doing the digitizing remotley, there could be some small reward for it. One thing though, are you sure you want to see my ugly mug? <grin> Regards, Larry.
#58629From: Dave Haynie/C128 LandMar 12, 1987 5:29 AM
Larry, You can count me in. Have already started digitizing 'mugs' around the office. Have done wallet-sized to 11×14's as well as negatives…. fun stuff! By the way…. for anyone buying a Panasonic WV1410 for their digiview… a reminder that the camera comes with a little switch inside set to the LINE vs. INTERNAL sync …. ya need to set it to the INTERNAL position. In the LINE postion you get little 'icicles' in the picture due to the vertical scan technique used by Digi-View. best, Rick
#58641From: John DraperMar 12, 1987 10:26 AM
Rick, should I "count you in" as a digitizer to the membership? Digitizer to PA? to West ChestY{r? Or as an uploader of your own and co-workers pics? Regards, Larry.
#58661From: Doug Quinn / PICSMar 12, 1987 6:26 PM
Larry; What the heck, might as well count me in on the digitizing club for the West Coast (I'm in Los Angeles). Might as well get the ball rolling, ey. -Doug
#58705From: C. Davey UtterMar 12, 1987 10:53 PM
Doug, I'm in LA too-Venice. Where are you?…Dave
#58739From: Doug Quinn / PICSMar 13, 1987 2:09 AM
Dave; We're neighbors, then. I'm just east of Santa Monica in Westwood, a stones throw from UCLA. On a totally unrelated topic, would you happen to know if an Amiga Users Group in the L.A. area anyplace? I'd like to meet a few other Amiga users face to face and see if they fit the mental picture. (IBM users sure do; the last IBM Users Group meeting I went to was a sea of blue blazers and men holding large manuals! And Mac users… well, they have a class unto themselves altogether.) Doug
#58741From: C. Davey UtterMar 13, 1987 4:24 AM
Doug, what do Amiga users look like? I work with 5 of them at NBC in Burbank. I don't know of an Amiga users' group. Jut got mine in fact about three months ago. We could get together somethime, if you like, give me a call at 823-8319…Dave
#58786From: Doug Quinn / PICSMar 13, 1987 6:33 PM
Dave; I'll give ya a call first free minute I get. Doug
#58801From: C. Davey UtterMar 13, 1987 8:16 PM
I work nights so make it late in the afternoon Mon thru Thurs, OK?…Dave
#58907From: BILL LEACHMar 14, 1987 5:34 PM
Dave: There is an L.A. users group. Met one of the members last month. Long way from San Diego right now but can give you the name and address when I get back (probably sometime next week). 73s, bill
#58796From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 13, 1987 7:58 PM
Doug, I don't know what's near you (I'm a right coaster), but we have four listings for California… heck, I'll just run down the cities: Bakersfield, San Fracisco, Milpitas, and Stockton. Probably none of these are near you, if your luck is like mine. 8) If any of these look likely, you might want to scan USRGRP.LST in the DLs, which gives further information on all of these. Rick
#58908From: BILL LEACHMar 14, 1987 5:34 PM
Rick: I am astonished! You just sorta think that groups such as L.A.'s and San Diego's would be listed. I will have to get those to you when I get back to So. Cal. 73s, bill
#59087From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 15, 1987 8:45 PM
Bill, Hey, super, do that! Give me all the info you can which is asked for by the form in the DLs, and I'll add them to the list. Thanks a million! Rick
#58757From: Dave Haynie/C128 LandMar 13, 1987 6:17 AM
Yep, as a digitizer. Rick
#58769From: John DraperMar 13, 1987 11:37 AM
Thanks Rick, Adding your name to the list. Regards, Larry.
#58845From: Ewan EdwardsMar 14, 1987 2:13 AM
Larry, My DigiView has, as of late, been collecting a bit of dust. You can include me on your list of digitizers. One point I'd like to make though, is that full sized pics take lotsa space. Having 300-400 (how many forum members do we have here?) pictures in one spot would be rather ridiculous. How about 1/6 or 1/8 frame images, which could be setup in alphabetical collections, ie 1 frame contains 6 (or 8) pictures from any sorted list we might happen to have. If the thought of having the pictures that small is worse than thinking of the file storage for that many frames, then disregard this suggestion. Anyway, if this gets off the ground, lemme know! Ewan P.S.: I'm working on a project, actually a continuation of a rather old project, to manipulate LANDSAT images on the Amiga. Many of the routines involved would make it a snap to go from RLE<->Amiga. If we get REALLY into this picture thingy, I could extract the necessary stuff (or just whip up a quickie, it pretty simple image processing). My first attempt at this was turning Mac digitized pics into Amiga grey scaled pics in basic. 5 lines (although 5 hours per 640×400 rez, he he). Now down to around 15 secs in Modula… Again, lemme know whatcha think!
#58852From: John DraperMar 14, 1987 4:01 AM
Thanks Ewan. I'm adding you to the list, and I'm sure that with the response this idea of Paul's seems to be getting, that we will indeed go ahead with it, if not in a section by itself, at least with readily identifiable pictures in one of the libraries. The details will have to be worked out as to size of images, etc. Thanks again. Regards, Larry.
#58668From: Richard Rae/SYSOPMar 12, 1987 6:37 PM
Paul, That is an _excellent_ idea, and one which I will stand firmly behind (er, firmly behind the _camera_, actually…) Yes, there is PD software right here in the DLs which would allow anyone with an Amiga to view pictures of this sort. CBIG and the pictures forum each have picture DLs, the former including mug shots of forum members. We can view these pictures using AHost. The thing is, these pictures are in RLE, and are very low resolution relative to what can be attained with the Amiga. I for one would love to be able to see some nice color HAM pictures of some of the people I chat with regularly. Count me in for moral support and anything I can do from a sysop standpoint. Rick