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#300 DPI Optima?

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#5788From: Tom TamlynJan 21, 1990 1:26 PM
So the $189 question is: for 300 dpi work, should I get Adobe Optima or Bitstream Zapf Humanist? TTT
#5810From: Jon HodgesJan 21, 1990 5:39 PM
Tom: For my money, I'd say buy neither and pick another face. The basic problem is that Optima is just too subtle to render properly at 300 dpi. The Adobe font has two masters on it — one for low resolution, which doesn't even look like Optima to me — and a better one for high resolution. It's just one of those sad facts of life that some faces aren't suitable for low resolution work. –jon
#5851From: Beth Ann AdcockJan 21, 1990 9:58 PM
Jon, I agree that Optima is too subtle to render properly at 300 dpi; but I still prefer it to other san serif faces I've had experience with at 300 dpi. I'd be the first to admit that my experience is limited. Are there san serif faces you prefer at low resolution? I'd be interested in hearing/reading your suggestions.
#5868From: Mike Musick/Ass't SysopJan 21, 1990 11:25 PM
Beth Ann – Try the Univers family. It takes low-res as well as Helvetica without being nearly as hackneyed or boring. …mm
#6003From: Beth Ann AdcockJan 22, 1990 11:33 PM
Mike, Looking at Univers in *Font & Function*, I can see that it's an improvement over Helvetica, but I still can't say that it does much for me. But perhaps I'm expecting too much from a sans serif which reproduces well at 300 dpi.
#5935From: Jon HodgesJan 22, 1990 12:35 PM
Beth Ann: Someone suggested Univers. I also like Trade Gothic (although the Adobe kerning pairs really need to be added to to do justice to that face). If you don't need a full family with condensed weights, check out Lucida Sans. The face was specifically designed for low-resolution devices and holds up well. I also like it a lot better than Stone Sans, which is another face optimized for 300 dpi. The Stone family does, however, include Stone Informal, which, although a serif face, might work well in places you'd like to use Optima (which, although technically a sans serif face, really has a serif feel to it — many typeshops include Optima under its serif list). –jon
#6192From: Beth Ann AdcockJan 24, 1990 9:05 PM
Jon, Thanks for the information. Who puts out Trade Gothic? Is it similar to ITC Franklin Gothic? I have a problem in that I don't have a PostSript printer; I'm using ATM and a DeskWriter for 300 dpi output. I like Lucida Sans, but both it and Stone Sans look too informal for my needs in this case. I suppose that elegance may be too much to ask for in a sans serif face at 300 dpi, but~ Peace, Beth Ann
#5867From: Mike Musick/Ass't SysopJan 21, 1990 11:25 PM
In fact, Jon, Optima is too subtle to even render decently at the 668dpi of the APS-5's I used to run. It took a Lino 202 running "superfonts" at about 1800dpi to do the face justice on a digital machine. …mm
#5937From: Jon HodgesJan 22, 1990 12:36 PM
Mike: Zapf said he felt nobody had ever created a decent digital rendering of Optima and would only order it from hot metal typehouses when he used it. Guess that puts us cold type people in our place. –jon p.s. I'm just putting together a letter to Lino about all sorts of type irregularities in their CORA fonts. One problem with all this new technology, is that all the manufacturers are rushing out their libraries without always taking the time to do it right. Just had a job bounce because a customer was unhappy about a flat spot in the bowl of a lower-case "e" in Rockwell. On a scale of world crisises, I know that falls a bit down the list, but it's annoying none the less.
#5873From: David VereschaginJan 21, 1990 11:30 PM
Tom: let me say it again. You're not going to find a decent 300 dpi Optima. You'll be wasting your money, no matter what the price. Since you are concerned with type quality, my advice is just forget it and look for something else. Sorry, that's the way it goes.