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#The Atari Portfolio

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#95004From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 22, 1990 1:07 AM
Charles, It's command compatible, beyond that…it's not. The port is supposedly fairly easy (from MS-DOS to the Portfolio)…but my memory tells me that programs have to come on "program cards"…so even if it was MS-DOS compatible…you couldn't load the software anyway. I haven't seen one yet, I'm going from memory of reviews I've read about it (which haven't been complimentary for the most part). I'll look around to see if I can find one of those reviews and refresh my memory. Don
#95021From: Charles HillMar 22, 1990 7:46 AM
Yeah, I was checking around through my collection of PC mags to see if I could locate a review but had no success. Who knows, maybe it'll have 80% CP/M compatibility before the year is out? Atari needs _something_ to keep them afloat, lord knows their U.S. ST sales aren't doing it. -Chas
#95036From: John BonoMar 22, 1990 10:52 AM
It's their European sales. Supposedly the ST is the number 2 home computer in Europe(number 1 are the clones), so they are definitely a long ways from chapter 11. John
#95030From: John BonoMar 22, 1990 10:27 AM
From what I've seen over in the Atari Forums, people who have gotten the Portfolio swear by it. And just because the programs come on ROM cards doesn't mean it can't be loaded(Where do you think KickStart gets loaded from?)In addition, the NEC UltraLight and Poquet PC also have non-standard I/O devices, and they have been a success. I've seen some of the reviews as well, and they come out mixed. Some compare the $400 Portfolio with the $2000 Poquet, and rank the Poquet ahead by a mile, even though the Port comes with a text editor, business organizer, and lotus compatible spreadsheet.(Seeing as it costs $1600 more, I can see that) However, some reviews have been comparing the Portfolio with the $250 Casio BOSS, which is not in the same league as the Port. So, the bottom line is that the portfolio is a so-so palmtop, but an incredible personal organizer. John
#95045From: Robert RosenbachMar 22, 1990 1:37 PM
John, I think some of the things that you're paying for in the Poqet are a full 80×25 character screen, as well as true MS-Dos compatibility. I forget what the Portfolio's screen size is, but I know it isn't 80×25. My first machine was an Atari 400, so I still have a soft spot in my heart for Atari. I almost had myself talked into buying an ST, but ended up with an Amiga instead. No regrets. Robert
#95053From: John BonoMar 22, 1990 4:08 PM
That's the problem with Atari. They make great systems, but are a collective bunch of corporate idiots. John
#95138From: Robert RosenbachMar 23, 1990 7:32 AM
John, True enough. They were like that even when they were owned by Warner Communications. Warner did such a good job of running it that they practically gave it to Jack Tramiel, it was losing so much money. I guess the Tramiels are doing well enough over in Europe, but from what I gather on the Atari forums the U.S. is a lost cause for Atari. Robert
#95098From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIMar 22, 1990 10:21 PM
Robert, The Portfolio has a screen size of 40 x 8 , I believe. Hardly a "standard" among PC programs. Lloyd
#95139From: Robert RosenbachMar 23, 1990 7:41 AM
Lloyd, 40 x 8 sounds about right. It sounds like a neat toy, but I doubt if I'd get much use out of one. Robert
#95129From: C. Davey UtterMar 23, 1990 3:10 AM
John, I saw one last week. I went to the movies and the guy sitting next to me had one and it was great. Keyboard's a bit small for my tates but it definitely had a lot going for it. …Dave
#95215From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 23, 1990 9:52 PM
John, That's true…everyone has a ROM burner sitting in their kitchen so they can copy their current software over. Oh yea…they also have Atari's ROM cards handy…right? Seriously…even if the above were true…the Atari isn't MS-DOS compatible…so even if you could copy software over…you couldn't run it. The Ultralite and Poquet are MS-DOS compatible to the best of my knowledge. An organizer is no better than it's software, not owning, or having seen an Atari Portfolio…I have no idea of it's quality as an organizer. I've got a Sharp Wizard…and it suits me just fine…does everything I want…and only cost me $200 at a discounter. Don
#95240From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIMar 23, 1990 11:09 PM
Don, "Copying software over…." – you forgot about MODIFYING it to run properly with the 40 x 8 screen! I don't think there is very many programs that would work well with that screen format. Lloyd
#95251From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 23, 1990 11:54 PM
Lloyd, Isn't that what I said…even if you could copy it over…it wouldn't run. Don
#95635From: John BonoMar 26, 1990 11:28 AM
The porting over isn't that difficult. The portfolio has a virtual 80X25 screen. John
#95709From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 26, 1990 11:53 PM
John, Yes…that's my understanding…the porting is supposed to be easy, but that's something for the publisher…not the user to do. Don
#95044From: Ron LegroMar 22, 1990 12:26 PM
I've got an old Sharp PC-5000 portable, which uses MS-DOS 2.11. It runs some plain-vanilla software but anything that writes to the screen will usually hang, since the screen is 80 characters by 8 lines. However, it isn't hard to debug some software to account for the different screen. Also there might be ways to use utilities that provide a virtual screen of 80X24, as the VSCREEN program provides on the Amiga. I haven't tried it on the Sharp, and don't know if it would work on the Portfolio. BTW, the DOS 2.11 in the Sharp is circa 1983.
#95236From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 23, 1990 10:46 PM
Ron, I've never seen a Portfolio (other than in ads)…so certainly anything I say isn't "fact"…I'm just reporting what I remember reading about it. Thus…those reports say it's not MS-DOS compatible (or my memory of those reports says that). So the software won't run in any case. But aside from that…Joe Average User shouldn't be expected to have those utilities, nor have to use one to get the software to run if it were MS-DOS compatible. And then of course, there's the "software card" issue…even if all software ran 'as-is'…there's still no way for Joe Average User to load software onto the machine. Don
#95112From: Ethan SolomitaMar 22, 1990 11:11 PM
It is supposed to be MS-DOS compatible, but it just doesn't have a disk drive! That is the catch. My guess is that you will be able to add one externally, but I have no idea. — Ethan
#95241From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIMar 23, 1990 11:09 PM
Ethan, The Portfolio is "MS-DOS *COMMAND* COMPATABLE". Note the semantics. It *IS* a significant difference. (MY emphasis). Lloyd
#95244From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 23, 1990 11:18 PM
Ethan, From EVERY review I've read, the Portfolio is NOT MS-DOS program compatible…simply MS-DOS command compatible. That is, you use the same command names (such as DIR) but they are not the same programs. Don
#95493From: Ethan SolomitaMar 25, 1990 5:18 PM
I see. Well, I'm sure that Atari was hoping that people like me would misunderstand and misinterpret their comments. It's the only way they'll any. — Ethan