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Ok. Thanx for making things clear, Steve. Fred. Frederic Botton from Paris, France fbotton@cix.compulink.co.uk
🙂 Fred. Frederic Botton from Paris, France fbotton@cix.compulink.co.uk
Ok, Steve has made the subject of this forum clear, so here we go! No, Jacques Delors has not entered the competition yet (at least not officially), and neither Jacques Chirac nor Edouard Balladur did so. The only one that made a public announcement is Jean Marie Le Pen. Opinion…
That explains the state of American education very well. If schools are run by people with completely atrophied brains, they can't possibly do a good job of educating anyone. -Karl
>If things comes come down to everyone having a gun, and shootouts are >commonplace, I don't even want to be around any more. I know, some places >are getting this bad, but not here. Bad news, Bob. A NUMBER of states, including Florida, now allow concealed carry by any law-abiding…
>Also, we have passed similar laws on other things that do kill people. >(DWI (and vehicular homicide) as an example.) Not the same thing. Both are MISUSE of a vehicle, and both make only that misuse illegal. To be similar to gun control you would have to BAN the vehicles…
But the shotgun will very likely kill who it hits, and the odds are good that the pistol caliber automatic weapon will only wound. None of the mass murders I have read about involved someone spraying a room, they just walked methodically around killing people one by one. -Karl
Um, doesn't anyone see a difference between what just got banned- a SEMI-automatic version of the Uzi with a 16 inch barrel- and a fully automatic machine gun? I'll clue you in if you don't: What just got banned is a large, bulky, extraordinarily expensive handgun. And why? Because it…
Bob, early 20th century, and the individual in question, a madman, was stopped by a gun wielding individual, one of the 1% who were still armed. THINK!!! If one individual had been armed on the Long Island Train, how many people would have died? Not anywhere near the body count…
Arnie, excuse me?!!! You obviously don't read police reports or the collected statistics on violence. I thought I made it clear in my post that several times more violence is committed using weapons other than guns or assault weapons. Yep, I went back, and such was the case. Obviously you…
Eet, curious as it may seem to most rational individuals, most people engaged in criminal activities do not want to maximize the group of intended victims. Instead, they want to ensure the death of the particular individual who is the target of the 'hit'. True, there are organizations that show…
Brian, A higher rate of illegal use of knives per unit than guns? You've got to be nuts. Most homes have a set of kitchen knives (carving type, not butter knife type), a set of steak knives, a few pocket knives and so on. I'd guess I've got 25 knives…
>Since when do numbers matter in this society? Is not *each individual's* >life as important as any other's? I don't care if an idiot kills 30 >people, or 1 person. I care more if 30 get killed over one… The chances of survivng a bad situation are MUCH higher if…
>For sloppily wounding and perhaps killing numbers of people at close >range. Yep. So why allow them? Bob Comer Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
Larry, No matter how you saw off a shotgun…it still has a limited pdispersal pattern. An automatic's dispersal pattern is only limited to how fast you can swivel and how many rounds it holds. Don
Larry, Saturday Night specials went out of vogue years ago…9mm automatics are the weapon of choice now. The very fact that Uzi's are so hard to get and so expensive is what is limiting their use (Mac 10's also). We have recovered some of them from gang members. They get…
Eet, Criminals don't give a rats *** about "precision work", they want quick and dirty…and as scary as possible. Don
>If the 30 people in that crowded store are all armed themselves, the >chances of the idiot not being able to kill anyone, let alone all 30 go >to infinity, compared to the chances if no-one is armed. I agree, I heard of some town in Georgia, I can't think…
A shotgun, modified with a hacksaw, is a far better weapon than a machine gun for close range, crowded rooms. -larry
Then why aren't more Uzi's used in crimes? It isn't as if they are any harder to get that Saturday night specials? -larry
>Just think about software written for a $1,800 home machine being able to >run full blast on a high end workstation. Absolutely! I look forward to the day when I can buy a PowerMac with a 620 that will let me run all kinds of great graphics software _and_ important…
Since when do numbers matter in this society? Is not *each individual's* life as important as any other's? I don't care if an idiot kills 30 people, or 1 person. I want the idiot stopped in case the 1, or one of the 30, is me. It's the idiocy, not…
Agreed, as could my M1 (guaranteed, with certain ammunition) go through my house, my neighbor's house, etc. That's why I have a.45 with hollowpoints, shotshells and fmj ammunition in separate magazines handy. With that weapon, I feel reasonably safe against most any intruder except BATFinks and other kevlar-wielding invaders. If…
Glad you brought up knives (ow, ooch; sorry, difficult typing with the slice I have in my finger from a piece of brick (not a knife ))… A boy was suspended for 13 days (he was going to be suspended for a year), because, one night he was working on…
For sloppily wounding and perhaps killing numbers of people at close range. Get AutoPilot, or get lost! Eet
Actually, anything anyone does is for purely selfish motives. Self-sacrifice doesn't exist. If I, for example, catch a bullet for a buddy, it's because, _in_my_mind_, his being alive is more important to me than my being alive. That's not to say that someone can't reason that the _risk_ of sacrifice…
Not as useful as a small pocket auto, for robbery, for example. Nor as useful as a scoped 30-06 for an asassination. It's just not real useful for any precision work. Get AutoPilot, or get lost! Eet
>Indeed, there is a far higher rate for the illicit use of body parts and >other similiarly available weapons (such as household goods) than for >either of the two cited items (assault weapons and automatic weapons). When was the last time you heard of anyone with a knife, (or any…
>Nonsense; the reason there have been only a few crimes committed with >fully automatic weapons is that full auto weapons are lousy for most >applications. Most applications, except for killing people at somewhat close range. Bob Comer Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
If we could limit violence to knives, bats, the occasional anvil, it would be far less catastrophic to society in general. Guns are so convenient, that it is no problem to use them first, easier than a knife too. My AR15 could probably kill any intruder, and go through my…
Eet, actually, I spent the time trying to learn the particular method of analysis. It really does have applications in the real world. If you do not understand conflict theory, you are a babe in the woods when it comes to things like rent-seeking behavior by political interest groups (i.e.…
Jim, well, yeah, we did win, I think. [A Toyota turns to a BMW and asks, 'Who won the war?'] Actually, if you look at it from a historical process, each and every war that the US engaged in can be traced to a similiar jump in both the power…
Frederic, actually, I do some pontificating in other forums on the greatness of the Amiga. Sad to say, most people agree. It's d*mn*d hard to start an argument when everyone agrees on the superiority of the Amiga . And yes, I was serious about the French Presidential elections. How are…
Don, the original intent of any knife is the slicing of some form of flesh, be it animal or plant. The applicability of such for both licit and illicit activities is exactly the same, they cleave said flesh. Now to the fundamental question. How many people have been killed by…
I agree, and so did the founding fathers. -larry
Larry, Product liability adds significantly to the cost. Don
Larry, There are very few things that can't cause harm if used improperly or taken to the extreme. The original intent of the item, and its applicability for legal activities that becomes the deciding factor. Don
Eet, The Uzzi is "useful" for just about any crime you'd want to commit. Don
> Multiple layers, from 7 to 11 or 12. Ahh! Yup.. that would do it, alright. That's a lot of material. -larry
Multiple layers, from 7 to 11 or 12. -Karl
> Very true. I read somewhere recently that the 620 will run around 20-25% > behind the Alpha, but those were preliminary numbers. I suspect that the announcement mid this month with reveal numbers better than original IBM/Moto forcast from 18 months ago, but probably slightly behind the 300Mhz Alpha.…
Interesting that Kevlar vests are so expensive. I used Kevlar to build a cockpit coaming for an airplane, once, and though the cloth was a little more expensive that the equivalent fiberglass cloth, it was not overly much more. -larry
Given that reasoning, those folks better start thinking about restricting computers, cars, knives, boots, fists, and so on. The message I was responding to said, basically, that we need to ban assault weapons because the writer "doesn't want his neighbour to have automatic weapons." -larry
Nonsense; the reason there have been only a few crimes committed with fully automatic weapons is that full auto weapons are lousy for most applications. BTW, Don, I want your gun(s). Get AutoPilot, or get lost! Eet
Oh, I think it sort of depends on how you ask the question. If you just ask "Do you think we should have Gun Control", you naturally get a very large positive response. Nobody is in favor of criminals owning firearms, after all. What those simple-minded polls do NOT measure…
Fred, if you think no one here is interested in the French elections, you have a sad surprise coming. Most of us are interested in EVERYTHING. That's how you can tell you're in an Amiga forum rather than, say, IBM Sys. -Karl
Ah, so THAT'S what Soapbox is. Thanks, I couldn't figure out the difference. -Karl
Oh, I'm surviving, Larry gui… that's all I'm allowed, y'know 😉 A few months back they had a show at the mall here (well, we do have more than one, but.. :), and there was a 42 Willy's Jeep with a 50 cal machine gun mounted on it. A guy…
Larry, The fact that there have only been few crimes committed with fully automatic weapons…and that they are severely restricted…is exactly why there is a desire to restrict 'assault type' weapons. Don
> Sorry, Larry, gui, but … No need to apologize for confirming my statements, Eet! > I just checked into obtaining an automatic rifle (aka, machine gun).. > .$200 and about 6 months paperwork. Yup… federal firearms dealer permit, lots of hoops (other paperwork), and so on. And of course…
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