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Joachim, Thanks for the info! ANy info is welcome right now. However what I, personally, dislike very much was this: >>But then, Microsoft, in his opinion, was targetted more for office, Amiga rather for home market.
>>and I think I could create an assembler or a compiler for a simple langauge like Basic, but I would not know how to start desinging a C compiler.>And how do you create your own debugger without using someone else's debugger? It is possible, but it would be a difficult…
Greg, Is it really so hard to understand that a text of say twenty pages is more prone to contain errors than one of two pages? If not, why are people taught to split a big project into small overseeable ones? Furthermore, isn't it a normal fact of life that…
I agree with nearly everything you state. HOWEVER: it remains un undisputable truth that, at least in principle (and as far as I am concerned, in reality), assembler will produce the most efficient programs of them all. If I were to translate a text from english to flemish, I wouldn't…
>>Getting more out of fewer staff seems to be the main aim where I am working now, and I think it is true in most places.>Safety critical applications are another issue. You need development tools that have been very well designed and very thoroughly tested.>I would be more uneasy getting…
>>This doesn't follow and is unfounded.
>>This implies "dead code"
>>You mean compile-time-wise?
>> That's to overcome the sluggishness of present day programs (using sloppy compilers?) and operating systems such as Windows ..
>>You are saying that OO is always larger/slower/whatever.>Again, as well, programming languages and methodologies don't guarantee anything, nor do they write or design our apps for us. We are still the vital part, and there is no excuse for failing to make the effort to put the pieces together correctly.…
>>They are disjoint issues, how could they not be?
>>The idea of building all my own tools has a certain apeal to me but in reality I don't have the expertise or the time to write a compiler, and I expect that goes for most amateur and professional developers.>But that is an extreme case, I find most compilers are…
>>>I am against the use of HLL's by programmers making commercial >programs if they didn't program the HLL themselves because of the errors. >>But compiler writers usually don't necessarily also write the business apps too. And I'd be hard pressed to stop one project so that the same programmer could…
>>assemblers that actually have HLL constructs>For sure then, you might find program, compiler, OS, etc bugs in assembler faster and so on that in a HLL language. Just like I will probably do so in C and C++ than in Ada.>I don't see it as a good (or bad) issue.…
>>(1) Programs written in an OOL is more buggy than programs written in a non-OOL. (2) The OOL itself is more buggy than a non-OOL itself (that is, the language specification, and their compiler implementations). Although in specific, I can find definite cases to support these arguments,>Furthermore, if the OOs…
>>I agree in some facets a weight can be put on things (say the difference between an malfunctioning ATM bank machine vs a malfunctioning pacemaker) but still, I'd make the effort for both of them.
>>HOWEVER! nearly all my errors are due to typing mistakes (I don't speak for >my first year or so). Even if you are a genius, I find this impossible. You have never misunderstood a specification, and hence designed or coded the wrong thing? You have never maintained a program, and…
I plainly agree. And yes, novels are still being written, so are programs. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
>>>Not programming in assembler has cost me a few years of my life in >solving compiler bugs. I've never heard this before. You must have has some serious extenuating circumstances that you are not going into.>But let's branch out of the personal preferences zone for a minute or two. What…
>>That sounds like a good attitude. The worst thing is non-programming managers who take the old cliches at face value. Like "Fourth Generation Languages improve programmer productivity", so we spend ages trying to force a 4GL to do a complex job it was never designed for and end up with…
>>I find this kind of statement w/o any basis. I want to hope I'm misinterpreting it, but your statement seems clear cut and in context. Surely there are OO scenario's/designs/languages/etc that can bring this about, sometimes, but surely this can be this case in non-OO scenario's too.>Re "plain good (not…
>>When I am designing a program I usually start by looking at what information I will be using and I design data structures to represent that. Then as the design progresses I will write functions to manipulate these structures.>From what I have read so far about C++, you put the…
>>That on the Amiga, only, OO is better????????
>>So I'm back to putting display statements in the program just like I used to do with 8 bit Microsoft Basic!
>>..unless, of course, there's a bug in the assembler. :-)>"Isn't it LOGICAL to speak the language of the computer instead of learning another language that is ultimately translated to machine language anyway?" Not necessarily. For example, I can program in Java, and it works cross platform immediately. It works on…
They were really not meant to be kind, only as objective as I can get. But yes, I am glad you like them. Also I really love the fact that you still say positive things about the Amiga. I feel quite alone sometimes here in Belgium. Bart Van Bockstaele at…
>>Hmmmmmmmm, the exec kernel is true OO. Imnsho, its a didactic play of fast, small and stable OO code.
Haha! You are talking about the Amiga and you got me! The trouble is that, with the Amiga and only with the Amiga my experience is the same! Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
Jim, Even after seventeen years of experience AND having learnt much of what I know by YOUR articles you still amaze me with you calm objectiveness. I can only agree with this. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
>>That is the case for programmers who do not comprehend and correctly apply the paradigm, just as it was the case with structured programming when things moved from "software as art" mode to "software as science" in the late 60's.
>>I suppose it is the same trade off between low level efficiency and fast development that has been going on since programming began. >I miss programming in Assembler,
>>Do you find OO to be a good method for desingning programs? I am supposed to be getting some OO trainning in a few months. From what I have seen reading about it so far it doesn't look much different from good structured programming.
Betty, This sounds great! Thanks for the info Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
Tom, This sounds good! Thanks for the info. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
It was juicy information. But not for me! Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
Of course! Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
It depends on what you do I guess. If you write your own routines then you don't need that library. I never used it but then I only use assembler. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
>>The native developer kit was a set of five disks that had the includes the autodocs, enforcer and other utilities and other details about pcmcia etc.
Not really, Doing many things at the same time takes more time in total than doing them one after another BUT it is much more natural and you don't have to wait all the time. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium…
Jochen, Here we had a slogan for the mobile-phone generation before GSM. It said: Thanks to Siemens and the RTT you'll never miss *a* phone call any more. My reality at that moment was: No, you miss them all! I am Glad for you that ISDN works! Bart Van Bockstaele…
>>Everybody uses it. It's just one of those fundamental "data structures/algorithms".
Clinton, I still have my 2000. I have not much time at this moment but I hope to revive it as a kind of workstation networked to my 4000. For the moment, it just sits there. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from…
Asha, >> Nothing, other than the fact that she's REALLY hot! (it's almost 100'F right this minute!)…>I sincerely doubt that anyone would/will want the name "asha".
>>Yes, the CM only uses 4-bit processors, however it uses 65,536 of them in parallel. If not for the 'n-cube' architecture, you could call it a 256k-bit machine. 8-{)
Let me guess, you *don't* live in Belgium, do you? At least you have something positive about ISDN. I am so used to see and hear ugly news about it that I more or less began to think it was vapourware. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and…
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Frederic, I am interested. But *not* for games though. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
ESCOM – UUGH!!!
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I'll ask. And thanks for the info. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium NOT from Mars!…
You were lucky. I signed the non-disclosure agreement, I paid the developer contract and *never* got such a thing like a “native developer kit'' Hell, I didn't even know, nor was I told, it existed! Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium…
Betty, Is that still so? Then I may do that also? Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and Amiga all the way from Belgium …
As far as I know VLAB motion is a rather *new* product. I am planning on buying one (I lack the money however 8-( ). I had the chance to play with it and it seemed a fantastic product to me. Bart Van Bockstaele at 100574.2352@compuserve.com … On AutoPilot and…
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