CompuServe Messages

David, As usual you make valid points, but again its not my experience. Glass is not something I have a need for typically except in terms of "glass lettering" and I find that I can make a very acceptable animated glass. Stills may very well be a different story. As I don't do stills very often except as a "work in progress" so it really hasn't been a factor. I have no idea what is happening with R5 and I wouldn't care to speculate on the possibility. FWIW I don't even use ray-traced shadows as in most cases there's an faster way to do it. Although in some cases I know I would have to resort to it, if I had to. As there are a variety of alternatives many of which have been discussed here, I don't see the need. I realise that that may be unique judging from the responses I've recieved but then the vast majority haven't so I feel that this issue is not as big as it might appear for most people. BTW If I get inundated with responses, I won't try to answer them all. <G> John "Lightning Rod"