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I guess I didn't understand your question. I don't recall having seen the ORIGINAL shape being distorted ?? But if yours is, how difficult is it to copy it before doing the outline ? About 2 seconds work. A long time ago I used to get frustrated with various packages auto-beveling routines, but when I really thought about it, I realized it was more difficult that it appeared on first impression. But as I said, I haven't experienced any problems manually constructing LEGAL beveled text, and it hasn't been that much work. But as I said, I don't really do that much work with text these days. If you have Macromodel and it pleases you, can't you export to 3DS and then take advantage of all the good stuff it offers ? BILL