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Joe, Joe, Joe… Camon! >> When the tools we used in our jobs were "hard" (typewriters, pencils, etc.) access to the knowledge of how to operate these tools was accessible. You could go to a library and take out a book on typing, rent or buy a typewriter, and learn how to type. The same was true for drafting. A straight edge, some << I think we are being a wee bit narrow! Most libraries still have books on most trades and careers. Hell some even have video tapes! And please tell me where exactly did people go before they had libraries or Rent-alls? Excuse me sir could I rent a horse and plow? Or better yet could I enroll in that two day canoe and trapping course of yers? >> Self improvement was possible. << Ah come on, try it you'll like it! I think you might find that although still a really tough thing to do that self improvement is most certainly still possible. The only one making it impossible for you is you. >> Gates & pals. In the eyes of the software companies it doesn't matter if the product you purchase is used for education or for profit. You still have to pay up. << Yeah, so whats the problem? Do you not expect to profit from your education or are you simply learning for the betterment of man kind? >> People who have initiative and drive and are interested in improving themselves and do not have many thousands of dollars are forced to pirate software, and xerox manuals. There is no alternative.<< Whoa!!!! Stop right there! NOT!!!! I know things are tough, I know that it must be difficult getting out of school in this job market or lack there of. I know it is difficult to be unemployed and have very few companies with jobs available. However, people who truely have initiative and drive and are interested in improving themselves pick themselfs back up after being knocked down time and time again and look for new solotions and take control of their own circumstances. I think you will find greedy and weak people give up and look for easy ways out. >> We have allowed the software companies to rob us of our ability to educate ourselves. << Sorry, don't think so. I have not allowed them or anybody else to rob me of my ability to educate myself. Sounds to me like you gave up before you started. Really Joe, I have seen some of the other messages you have written and the replys you have received and I am sure it must seem like most everybody on this forum is a jerk and can't understand where you are coming from or someting. The truth of it is most of the people here were not born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouths. Most of the people here and arround you have experianced the disappointment of discovering things did not turn out the way we expected. What they are saying to you is catch your breath, wipe your eyes and get back out there and do something about YOUR situation. Use your imagination, try something different. Maybe the path to success does not conform to your specifications. That does not mean that there is no path to success, just means you have not figured out the right combination yet. Hell if it were as easy as I once though! Oh well, experiance shows me it is not. That is no reason to give up on your dreams. Make new ones. Be creative, comprimise, maybe just maybe you'll get a break. Stop whining and looking outside of yourself to place the blame on someone or something else. It sounds like you need some experiance in the work place not with software. Go get it! Dwayne. Sorry Joe if you feel I am out of line. I am not trying to attack you. I am just trying to explain the way it looks from this side of the screen. And in case you are wondering, yes I am a software developer <BG>.