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A2000A/A2000B

    29-Oct-95 21:08:15
Sb: #217030-A2000A/A2000B
Fm: Tom Jones 76470,1332
To: Bart Mathias 72017,1005
Bart, pisano! You have an ELFII? You know what this means? We can ask CIS to start up an 1802 forum for us. Actually mine is packed in a box but I have kept all the parts through moves to and from Germany over the years and have meant to reassemble it someday. Maybe I will do it now. I only got mine to 48K mem but I did install Fig Forth and worked hard integrating Steve Nies's text editor with the OS favored by ACE, the Amateur Computer Experimenter group based in Ontario. If you knew their newsletter Ipso Facto, you probably saw my name on some of the articles. A few reviews to the Pet User's Group newsletter also. Those were fun times, weren't they? I still have my MC6847 video board in the box, 100% homemade of course. Like you I never got a Harddrive or even a floppy interfaced to it. for years it used a keyin loader to boot in the hand-pulled paper tape monitor which then booted in the cassette O/S including the editor and Forth. When I packed it she was using a 2716 Eprom to boot up the cassette. I used a GE Terminet 300 for my ascii printer at that time. I agree of course that IBM would have done the world a favor by opting for a CMOS based MPU with 16 (count 'em) 16 bit (!!) registers, and the incredibly fast register pointers to instantly switch programs with a single cycle after an interrupt, and all the other advantages. With computers that ran from a small battery right back there in 1978, what would the PC look like today? wear iot in you eyeglass frames probably. Instead they opted for Nmos and powersupplys that could do double duty as arc-welders and a fixed register based/seperate I/O bus architecture rooted in ancient mainframe theory. The 4040 was actually a japanese customer inspired attempt by Intel to pack a primative DEC mini into a couple of chips, I am told. Too bad they didn't also look at the PDP architecture and instruction set, which was great. I was also dismayed when IBM made that stupid choice and followed up on it by adopting Dos instead of multitasking CP/M. Still makes me burn. No, the ACE projects appeared in PE many months after they presented the first project to build the Altair 8800 in Jan 1975. It was designed by MITS of Albuquerque NM, Intel 80f80 2mhz based, had 256 bytes of main memory, and used toggle switches to program it, leds for output. That's it. (later I read that the designers showed the editor of PE a singular prototype which they knew didn't work yet to get free advertising. For their failing company it was a last ditch effort to survive. When the orders for the $397kit/$498 assembled Altair flooded in tfhey had to rush to hire engineers and get it working. Sound like any other intel based machines we know?) I'm not positive but I believe SWTP in Texas had already introduced their 6800 based machine (to increase sales of their ascii television based terminal IMHO) before Netronics introduced the ELF single board project in or near 1978. I still have some software for the 1802 like PaloAlto Basic (Oak Ridge Version), Pilot, Assembler, full screen Text Editor, Fig Forth, 1802 disassembler, DDT full screen dynamic debugger, …all the foregoing for 40×16 video screen….plus for 1861 output I have Netronics original monitor ElfBug, CSTP debug/trace, Super Graphics, Morsecode decoder, Life, Space war, a lightpen pgm and more. Gotta go. Tom alternate: jonest@amigat.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers