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#Pixelations(PixelScript)

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#43230From: Michael RiehleDec 13, 1991 1:19 AM
Does anybody know? Is Pixelations (PixelScript) still in business? They do not answer the phone number published in their manual did not answer my first email message to them (I've just sent another, we'll see if it gets better results). MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43263From: Ilsa VanHookDec 13, 1991 1:25 PM
They were still in business as of about a year ago…i didn't have much luck with email, either; paper mail worked for me.
#43287From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiDec 13, 1991 6:33 PM
I tried to contact them about an article where Pixelscript was mentioned. I had no luck.
#43391From: Michael RiehleDec 14, 1991 1:07 PM
Ilsa, Thanks. I tried the phone again and got a machine. But they didn't call back. I sent another E-mail, with the reply requested option from Whap!, no reply. I don't think they log on here anymore. I don't think much of their customer service. If the shareware Post software I tried before going with PixelScript hadn't kept crashing my system, I think I'd try it again, maybe I could get some output this time and customer support isn't an issue with them <sigh>. I have version 1.1 of the PixelScript software; is the latest as far as you know? MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43437From: Timothy P TrompeterDec 15, 1991 1:33 AM
Michael, I contacted Pixelations about a year or so ago (also about the same time i found Post1.3). It seems that the "company" is a one-man operation, and from the tone of his conversations with me he's not really continuing to upgrade Pixelscript. The latest version, which he happily sent me was 1.1h. A little known trick you may try if you're using pixelscript is to put your postscript fonts in the fonts: drawer of the Pixelscript directory, but be sure to append them with the .pxsfont extention — if you do they should be recognized by Pixelscript just fine! Also, you might try Post, now up to V1.6 It works quite well, by my experience with some minor glitches: 1. you have to manually set the screen size (x about 2550, y about 3300 pixels) in the startup screen in order to print. 2. you can't get both screen and print output at the same time (although I'd be interested to see if anyone with a 2Meg Agnus can do this!!!) 3. some fonts with "non-documented encrypted hints" don't want to load very well Other than that, it seems to be a quite workable program. I've tried both, and in comparison I've had more success with Post (at least the 1.6 version). AND, FWIW, Adrian Aylward even wrote me back when I wrote him with a problem I was having getting Post to recognize the Sonata music font. – Tim Trompeter…
#43476From: Michael RiehleDec 15, 1991 3:25 PM
Timothy, I got a reply (finally) to my email to Pixelations. I was told by Justin that the Amiga is no longer supported by them. That's not the same thing as not upgrading PixelScript if they support other machines. I asked for clarification on this point. We'll see. Also, maybe I can get 1.1h from him. Are you saying I can copy PostScript fonts from other platforms and put them in the fonts drawer with the .pxsfont extension to add more fonts to my system? Do I need to convert them in some way? What do I do for screen fonts? I tried Post and was wholly unimpressed. It crashed my machine on a regular basis, and even when it didn't I never got any output. I'm sure I had something configured wrong, but I had no way to figure out what it might have been; the documentation didn't help. I don't remember what version I was working with at the time (might have been 1.2), but I got gunshy after a few crashes and lengthy, unproductive waits. Also, there didn't seem to be any way to add more fonts. I guess our experiences don't match very well. Is 1.6 in the libraries here somewhere? I suppose I could try it again with this latest version and see if I get better results. MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43493From: Timothy P TrompeterDec 15, 1991 7:52 PM
Michael, I'm pretty sure that all that Pixelscript needs in order to use a font in it's font directory is the .pxsfont extension; I seem to remember trying that out shortly after I got v1.1h. But my experience is quite different with Post1.6, once it was set up properly it consistently worked better for me than Pixelscript (which I paid full retail for, and took off my harddisk and replaced it with Post). Post can use any IBM Type 1 font (and i think type 3's as well). I even used it to "trim" the Laserprep files from my Mac stuff (via AREXX, of course 🙂 ) and can print most of the Mac stuff saved to postscript files. Pixelscript gasps and dies on the Laserprep file (at least when I tried it). Of course, there's the occasional headache, but hey, i'm learning postscript in bits and pieces at the same time. Post v1.6 should be online somewhere. I'd be happy to help you troubleshoot it if you need the assistance. – Tim Trompeter…
#43600From: Michael RiehleDec 16, 1991 9:47 PM
Tim, Well. Now I have PixelScript working for the most part. It seems to do what I currently need it to. I'm still irritable about Pixelations not supporting the Amiga any more, but now I have working software. But… How would I get fonts that I could place in the appropriate directory with the correct extension? Can I just download them from the Adobe forum here? Maybe later, when I have more time to experiment, I'll try Post. MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43687From: RON TROYDec 17, 1991 4:12 PM
I'd gotten an impression that Pixelations had become a part-time one man show; I might guess now that its a zero time show. If true, a shame. Ron
#43854From: Michael RiehleDec 18, 1991 11:44 PM
Ron, A darn shame. PixelScript is a good product at its root, but it needs an update. Color postscript support would be nice. More fonts. Support for newer features of postscript. 'Doesn't seem likely, though. <sigh> MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43934From: RON TROYDec 19, 1991 9:17 PM
Unless someone buys it out, not likely, with them apparently being out of business now. Ron
#44064From: Alex BakerDec 21, 1991 5:06 PM
If it has evolved into a one man operation, and he has decided no more support, perhaps he'd be willing to sell cheap. (Better a little money for something not being used, as opposed to no money at all.) – Well Whap! Me Silly….
#43742From: Timothy P TrompeterDec 18, 1991 12:33 AM
Michael, I would suggest that you just download a PS type 1 font, and put it in the PxSFonts: directory with all the fonts named nnnn.pxsfont Add the .pxsfont extension (exactly as the others have–check for uppercase/lowercase sameness) and create a postscript document that uses your new font. See if it works that way. You should be able to download fonts from DTPForum or Adobe forum, maybe also in Macintosh fora. .. Tim Trompeter…
#43855From: Michael RiehleDec 18, 1991 11:44 PM
Timothy, Thanks. I may give that a try later this week. 'Busy doing project plans at the moment…. MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#44002From: Alex BakerDec 20, 1991 11:00 PM
If it works with type 1 fonts, it will work with type 3. Type 3 is sort of a sub-set of type 1. There is no hinting in type 3. Type 3 is inferior to type 1 for these reasons, and is not used unless that is the only alternative. – Well Whap! Me Silly….
#44057From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportDec 21, 1991 4:37 PM
Type 3 is also used for fonts with grayscale shading which cannot be done in Type 1 fonts. We have a few Type 1's in the SL Typeface Library, like Brass Plate which are sold in Type 3 format. Mike Soft-Logik Tech
#44188From: Mike ToddDec 22, 1991 9:04 PM
I think you may be a little muddled about the difference between Type-3 and Type-1 fonts. Type-3 fonts are not a subset of Type-1, and if something is working with Type-1 it doesn't mean it will will work with Type-3 … far from it. Type-3 fonts are little more than standard PostScript programs … there is a BuildChar subroutine within Type-3 fonts which PostScript calls to "draw" the selected character. This routine can do what it likes, within PostScript rules, to render the character. In general, it will call a separate subroutine for each individual character and these subroutines may also use any of the standard PostScript operators (within reason!) and so can include shading and other graphics features. In other words, Type-3 fonts are a simple, user-writable, suite of subroutines. As such, there is no hinting or other fancy features within Type-3 fonts (unless the programmer happens to feel inclined to write them in!). Type-1 fonts are very different. For a start, the BuildChar subroutine doesn't exist within the font program. Instead, it is part of the interpreter and will call the appropriate "subroutine" within the Type-1 definition. The definitions themselves must conform to fairly strict rules, use a very limited command set and are semi-compiled for speed. They are then encrypted (twice) to avoid prying eyes and have a couple of extra, special commands including those aimed at providing hinting information. Type-1 fonts are therefore, in principle, much simpler than Type-3 fonts and programs such as PageStream are able to implement Type-1 support because of this. Rather than say Type-3 is a subset of Type-1, Type-3 fonts are no different to conventional PostScript programs, whilst Type-1 fonts are a very restrictive subset of the PostScript language. Mike (Whapping from the UK)
#43508From: Christopher TolmieDec 15, 1991 9:23 PM
Tim, I have Pixelscript, but have found Post 1.6 to be more useful. In fact I use it daily. I set the size as x2448y3204, print to screen and IFF.pic. I have used the print to screen and printer settings, and they work together fine with my 2MB AGnus equipped '030 accelerated B2000 with MegaChip 2000 onboard. I did find one problem with Post. Heavy ruled boxes in PPage 2.1 or Prodraw 2.0 both have one corner of the box notched instead of mitered (or closed). If the exact same file is output to a Postscript printer (like a HPIII w/adobe cart) it prints fine. I sent a disk with the test files, and printed output to Adrian via USsnail mail, and I hope to hear back from him sometime soon. Other than that I would use Post over Pixelscript. I prefer generating the large IFF pics, edit them if needed in ExpressPaint and print them using PageControl to my GCC PLP non-postscript laser printer and the Cltd lazerxpress system. Chris
#43782From: Steven D. KapplinDec 18, 1991 2:09 PM
Pixelations is no longer in business. I talked with the owner just a day or two ago. No support. Suggest you try SaxonScript. I just purchased it and it is 2.0 compatible and much better than PrintScript. Supports all 35 standard postscript fonts found in postscript printers. Printing is through a redirectable device so you can print directly from any wordprocessor without any hassle.
#43807From: Mike SchillerDec 18, 1991 7:33 PM
Steven: Do you mean that SaxonScript is installed on the system by mounting a device thru the mountlist and then when PS output is sent to that device it will print on the system printer properly? I've been using Post, and it works great, but if SaxonScript is installed as a device I might just go ahead and get it as well. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#43867From: Steven D. KapplinDec 19, 1991 12:06 AM
Mike, Not quite. SaxonScript has a program which you drop into the WBStartup directory under 2.0 or can run in the startup under 1.3. Once run the PSC: device is available. You don't need a mountlist entry. When the SaxonScript program is run the device is automatically mounted and available. You can then simply print to PSC: or you can output postscript to a file and do a copy to PSC:. Either works fine.
#43965From: Mike SchillerDec 20, 1991 8:26 AM
Steven: Well, that's what I was talking about. (having a device, doesn't matter how it comes into being) I will definately have to get a copy of saxonscript. Oh, does it do color PS to a color printer? -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#43974From: Steven D. KapplinDec 20, 1991 3:06 PM
Mike, That's the beauty of the beast. It FULLY supports color postscript and claims to provide COMPLETE support of the entire postscript language. In fact they claim to provide fuller support than laser printers!! I bought it at my dealer for $109. That's about 20% off list. If you can get it thru mailorder you can probably trim another 20% off. It comes on three disks. The manual is adequate, but not extensive. Lots of theory on postscript and printing, light on using the program, tho there isn't that much to learn after installation. Takes a little while to do the installation because each module (there are 5) needs to be installed along with the main installation which embeds your serial number in the main program. It's well worth the money. I've tested it with ProWrite and Excellence and it works as advertised.
#44267From: Gary BrusanowskiDec 23, 1991 6:03 PM
Steven: Sorry, but it's impossible for SaxonScript to provide "more" PostScript support (whatever that means) than licensed PostScript interpreters. Real PS interpreters, licenced from Adobe, contain hidden functions which even the laser printer vendors are not privy to (such as the actual Type 1 font hinting mechanisms). So, though I imagine that SaxonScript does a fair job with PostScript, I can't believe that it could implement ALL of PostScript's features (for years, Adobe hid away the fact that the interpreters contained special hinting functions; who'se to say there aren't other functions buried away in them that we still don't know about?) Unless of course Adobe has started selling their secrets to software interpreter developers, which hardly seems likely…:) Gary – Mirror Image Prod. (416) 495-7469, via WHAP!
#44278From: SyndesisDec 23, 1991 8:02 PM
Of course it's possible to implement PostScript in software, that's what a laser printer's got, right? As for a third party matching what's in the Red Book, why not? PostScript effectively "stood still" for a long time; the amendments to the standard were few and relatively inconsequential. Once I saw MacWorld run a torture test on several PostScript printers; they pointed out bugs in Adobe's own code as well as surprising differences between printers. Adobe's own code sets a standard, but I think it's possible for others to match it.
#44450From: Mike ToddDec 26, 1991 3:22 PM
It's certainly possible for companies to make a stab at matching Adobe PostScript, but it isn't possible to guarantee a 100% match. After all, as Gary says, there are several things within the Adobe interpreters which are quite clever and are _not_ matchable exactly by their party authors (and, yes, there are some bugs in there too 🙂 Okay, they can make a stab at hinting or the fill algorithms, but they aren't going to perform _exactly_ as the Adobe interpreters. The Red Book is a description of how to program PostScript, it is not an expose of how the interpreter works, nor does it cover some of the special features built into PostScript. Red Book compliance is one thing, and several third party interpreters do a very good job and get almost 100% … but a lot of PostScript code (usually unwittingly) relies on some of the undocumented side effects and some of the special features of the Adobe interpreters. The problem of some PostScript implementations not fully matching the Adobe interpreters is leading, for instance, to some PostScript code that won't run on Adobe-validated interpreters and fonts which do not print correctly. Mike (Whapping from the UK)
#44293From: Steven D. KapplinDec 23, 1991 10:46 PM
Gary, I can only report what they claim. In their docs they state that "As a postscript interpreter, SaxonScript actually exceeds the capabilities of conventional Adobe Postscript laser printers in many ways." They then list a number of these capabilities. Argue with them. They claim the following: 1. Full color support 2. Able to produce more accurate output than Adobe PS under identical printing conditions. 3. Complex math routines which switch intelligently between halftoning and dithering to ensure maximum output quality. 4. Ability to generate irregularly shaped halftone cells. 5. Can print PS files directly to screen display in full color.
#44530From: Gary BrusanowskiDec 27, 1991 8:26 AM
Steve: See my message to John for clarification. And BTW, I'm not coming down on Saxon. In fact, from what I've heard about SaxonScript (and the new Saxon Publisher), I think it's defintiely something I'll be looking into. They may have their problems, but one thing you can say for Saxon: they're committed. Gary – Mirror Image Prod. (416) 495-7469, via WHAP!
#43858From: Michael RiehleDec 18, 1991 11:52 PM
Steven, I don't think I've seen this product advertised anywhere. Who makes it? What other products do they make? MCR – San Jose, CA CIS: 76450,26 Internet: mcr@unison.com
#43868From: Steven D. KapplinDec 19, 1991 12:08 AM
It is made by the same people who do Saxon Publisher, Saxon Industries. Located at: 14 Rockcress Gardens Nepean, Ontario Canada K2G 5A8 613-228-8043 I purchased it through my local Amiga dealer, but I'm sure you can find it elsewhere.