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#18612From: Alan RussellJan 2, 1992 1:31 PM
Well, this seems to be a dead section! Lets have a funeral! Does anyone know if CANDO or AmigaVision (or any other authoring system) can hook into a ms dos app running on a bridge board? (or something similiar).. I would like to do interactive trainnning for a PC app using amigas if possiable..
#18629From: John PendergrassJan 3, 1992 12:09 AM
Alan, boy that is a good question…. I don't know of any way to control any Bridgeboard application from within CanDo, Foundation, Director, AV, etc. Not to say that it *might* not be possible, however. I've certainly never explored it. The above authoring progs do have ARexx support (ie. they can send ARexx messages to other apps). The only way I can see to do what you want would be to find a regular Amiga app that did what you wanted (ie. controlled the Bridgeboard), and make sure it had ARexx support. Then any of the above authoring progs could control *that* program, etc… I'd bet that you will NOT find such a program though. Let's face it, this is an area that the amiga beats the IBM world hands down on — ARexx control of programs. Lots of Amiga programs have it, making what you want to do much easier on the Amiga side. Very tough in the IBM world. (well, maybe the Windows environment will support some sort of inter-program communication someday). You could duplicate the IBM environment in the authoring program, and train on that? Lots of work…. more than it's worth, I'd imagine. Yeah, the section is dead. Be sure to join the MM discussion today (Thursday) at 7:00 PST!!! –jp–seattle–
#18635From: Paul ToalJan 3, 1992 4:06 AM
Can cando work with Amigados files and directory listings easily. Er, could a dirutil thingie be easily written with Cando? –pt–not seattle– 😉
#18651From: John PendergrassJan 3, 1992 7:56 PM
Could a dirutil be *easily* written in CanDo? No. Could it be written? Yes. CanDo has builtin a good number of disk-related commands, and can always access the others via your regular system commands (ie. running them, etc). Most of a dirutil could be done this way, but I'd dread doing all the bells and whistles of one using it. One problem would be speed…. one is used to dirutils speeding up directory operations; CanDo would (I expect) be slower than one wished at this. There is a CanDo deck available called 'DirBrowser' that does exactly what it says. Allows you to browse your disks, and tells you what types of files things are. It would be a good starting point for someone interested in doing their own fancier dirutil. I'll be glad to upload it to the Innovatronics section if you like (it's avail on Innovatronics BBS – written by MJGuerra)
#18854From: Paul ToalJan 9, 1992 3:05 AM
Uploading the file called 'DirBrowser' would be great a help. Instead of of a dirUtil I am making more of a very interactive script 🙂 Thanks, Paul –pt–not seattle– 😉
#18905From: John PendergrassJan 10, 1992 9:51 PM
I'll do so. It will be in the AmigaVend/Innovatronics library later tonight (Friday). I suppose that Innovatronics will need to officially 'bless' it, so that it is available, but it will be there.
#18775From: Adrian DemaraisJan 6, 1992 10:31 PM
Windows will indeed have its own intertask language. Considering that it's Microsoft we're talking about here, is it any suprise that the proposed language is an enhanced Microsoft Basic? On the other hand, whether OS/2 or Pink wins, IBM is bringing an updated, object-oriented Rexx to the party as their contribution.
#18640From: Jorge EscobarJan 3, 1992 10:51 AM
Alan, I had a similr application where I had to show some capabilities of a Window-based control program for IEEE-488 electronic equipment, and I just had the Amiga "simulate" the program. I grabbed the IBM screens and transported them trough ADepartment to Amiga… You can show a lot with that… And if you want to show real output and performance (not just explain capabilities), you culd tape the IBM program's output, and then have AVision show how the program could work… But, as you can see, all are not real-time solutions, and I doubt you can inter-process MS_DOS and Amiga applications in real time… (If I'm wrong, please give your opinion, anyone) I hope this sheds some light… —>JEF
#18794From: Alan RussellJan 7, 1992 10:54 AM
Yea.. Unfortuanly a MAC with Macromind (I think thats the name) can control a dos app… Kinda hooks' it.. Bummer to have to reccomend a mac!
#18653From: Alex BakerJan 3, 1992 8:22 PM
I do not know of any available application that can communicate with the bridgeboard. According to the docs, the two can communicate in real time, and parallel process if needed. (There are references to "number crunching" on the Bridgeboard side, and using the Amiga side for graphics and out put based on the data stream coming from the Bridgeboard. I quote from the 1989 version of the manual…. "One of the most powerful features of the Amiga/Bridgeboard desing is the ability to run software tailored specifically to take advantage of the combined strengths of the Amiga and PC systems. For example, a hybrid A2286 system using 80286 abd 80287 processors on the PC side could be performing process monitoring while the 68xxx series processor on the Amiga side is handling real-time graphics display of the process monitoring. (Page 3 1989 manual.) Sadly, I've seen nothing commercial, or PD/Shareware, that utilizes both processors. I've also seen nothing that documents how such a system would work, so that I might be able to experiment with it. It would be great if C= would release some libraries for a MS-Dos C compiler that would facilitate such communication, along with a library for the Amiga side. I sometimes wonder if it was something that was one of those half-thoughtthrough, well-it-ought-to-work ideas, that passed along to the tech writers, who just through it in.
#18771From: Adrian DemaraisJan 6, 1992 10:26 PM
I've been chatting with an ex-C= employee who was last working on bridgeboards. I was trying to convince someone that a Rexx port in the Janus software would be a tremendous idea, but everyone I talk to has some reason or other why it can't be done. This fellow seemed to be implying that PC screen isn't really software driven as we might believe, but hardware driven. Therefore, it would require some kind of gruesome hack running on the PC side to send data to a Rexx port. I personally can't understand this, as the clipboard recognizes the PC screen.
#18936From: Alex BakerJan 11, 1992 5:23 PM
According to the manual, it is possible to feed data from the Bridgeboard to the Amiga in real time. However, no software that I know of supports this feature. It would be nice to see Rexx implemented, but I doubt the communication is a two way street.