CompuServe Thread

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#43713From: Paul KudlachMar 22, 1993 7:03 AM
Jack, I once heard a speech by Dick Gregory at a convention where he stated that a lot of people are on welfare including government employees, scientists, defense workers and farmers. The more I thought about, the truer it seemed. I'm sure a lot of soviet defense workers feel the same as their US counterparts–bring back the cold war, and if Yeltsin goes, they may. It always struck me as idiotic to make weapons (nukes) that no one ever wanted to really use. The unfortunate aspect of all of this is that it will probably cost ten times more to dismantle and dipose of all this war material than it cost to build it. Some of the military bases were taken off the closing list simply because the cost of returning it to private use by cleaning things up would cost more than keeping the base open for another ten years. Paul
#43915From: Jack L. ChalkerMar 24, 1993 1:20 AM
Oh, I agree, the cleanup's enormous, and that's true even for non-nuclear bases, since the military has never thought much about damage to the area. It's always been a fact that the defense industry, since the start of WWII at any rate, was a large blind for a massive socialist welfare program. It, not Roosevelt's programs, finally broke the U.S. out of the Depression, and by sustaining and fattening it over the years of the Cold War it became insurance against another. You might remember that this was Kennedy's second rationale for the space program: it would provide the same level of government social welfare as defense but do something positive, and was one of the very few things that defense workers with defense skills could adapt to. The idea that you can retrain a nuclear physicist to ecology or adapt a multi-warhead missile construction and testing corporation to making affordable housing is as laughable as expecting a brain surgeon to operate on your injured foot or a doctor of dental surgery to do bypass operations. Things are simply too specialized for that. Space and undersea exploration are the only two things the defense industry and its specialties could adapt to, and in this age of ignorance as a virtue they are dismissed as wastes of money. Hence, massive unemployment, much of it permanent, tax bases crumble, corporations go under, state economies teeter, and everybody blames everybody for it.
#44036From: Paul KudlachMar 25, 1993 4:03 AM
Jack, A news report of yesterday discussed the Germans concern with our closing down bases in their country. Unlike the Russians (whom they paid to leave) they expect us to pay for cleanup. I guess we will have to believe Al Gore when he says that environmentalism will create new jobs, but not necessarily for the people who created the problems. Paul
#44151From: Jack L. ChalkerMar 26, 1993 4:14 AM
We'll contribute, but there's no way Congress is going to pay for cleanup of German bases! Heck, they haven't even cleaned up all their own WWII stuff, yet.