#Earth Science Schools?
6 messages in this thread
Hi, Ed–
Welcome to the forum!
Being strictly an amateur in the geo sciences, I have no special knowledge of
schools and majors in your turf. Some of the pros here may show up with some
advice before long.
This has to be an interesting time for physical geography, with satellite
images in many bands, synthetic aperture radar mapping (reaching even
underneath the surface), and image processing to refine the results. A school
with good connections to state-of-the-art techniques must be unusually
important in your field. I wonder how much starting over you will have to do;
wanting to learn will be your most important asset in dealing with rapid
changes. I am always relearning my profession, computer programming – it is
strange how I am a master on one machine and a babe in the woods on the machine
next to it. My best asset is learning how to learn, in such a way as to let me
learn the next new machine or language more efficiently.
–Doug
Doug,
>> synthetic aperture radar mapping (reaching even underneath the
>> surface), and image processing to refine the results
Can you expand a little on what kind of product you can get from this type of
mapping?
Jeff Coon
13-Mar-94 at 10:55a EST
Traverse City, Michigan
Hi, Jeff–
The December 1982 Scientific American has an article "Radar Images of the Earth
from Space" which discusses both how synthetic aperture radar works and how it
is useful in mapping features of the Earth (and Venus!) that cannot be seen by
ordinary means. When I speak of "underneath the surface", I mean the rock
underlaying sand and ice, if not too deep. If you have seen the photo-like
maps of Venus, you know what the product can be like. May 1993 has an article
on "The Power of Maps" which shows a lot of image-processed satellite maps.
–Doug
#108236 S2/Physics
27-Sep-93 14:40:07 Sb: #108201-#Synthetic Aperture Radar Fm: Mark Tanouye
71171,1113 To: Peggy Sheets 70007,2135 (X)
<< I am studying ocean currents and submarine detection. I would be happy if
you could provide any help.>>
Well, the use of SAR in oceanographic work has been an active field for many
years now and there is a wealth of information out there. It's hard to provide
specific information to you without knowing a little more. SAR applied to
ocean currents in itself is a big, big field. I don't personally do work in
this area, but if you go to any large library, especially the science or
engineering library of a nearby college, look for a periodical called PE & RS,
or Photogrammetric Engineering and Remote Sensing. It's a good place to start,
and you might also want to check any publications by the IEEE, a society for
electrical engineers. They have a number of titles that may apply to your
problem. Also, check for any annual report, symposium collection, or other
book documenting the many annual meeting of the many societies invovled with
SAR. There are invariably many articles and references that will lead you to
more sources. The government, Navy in particular, has done much work on using
SAR to image targets, moving and stationary. These results are published and
are probably available to you as well. And don't forget to look for remote
sensing textbooks for good overviews of the physical mechanics of SAR (I can
tell you pretty much *how* it works, but you seem to need more info about
"applications" rather than "theory".
Ocean waves can be imaged distinctly with SAR, and coastal features like wave
diffraction are easily seen. There has been a lot of work in using SAR imagery
to study ice floes, an exploitation of SAR's ability to penetrate clouds and
operate in darkness. An interesting feature of SAR is the fact that if a
moving target is imaged, its motion introduces a Doppler shift that results in
a shifting in the apparent position of the object on the picture you get. There
is also lots of interest in how SAR is complemented by other remote sensing
methods, particularly microwave sensing, to solve problems.
I only have experience in radar imaging in air. Some of my colleagues work
with SEABEAM, a towed underwater radar gizmo that seems to work really well.
GLORIA, another system, has been extensively used to image the ocean floor,
particularly underwater landslides.
Well, that's not much in the way of info, but if I can provide any other help,
including specific sources you can search for, please let me know.
—>Mark
Doug,
>> When I speak of "underneath the surface", I mean the rock underlaying
>> sand and ice, if not too deep
Thanks for the info Doug. When I saw you mention "undrneath the surface" I
immediately wondered if you could use SAR's for subsurface mapping of various
shales for instance.<g> I thought that might be stretching it though. And then
if you could do that maybe you could determine where some highly fractured
areas might be. And so on….
Interesting though. I will get a copy of that article.
Regards,
Jeff Coon
14-Mar-94 at 5:02a EST
Traverse City, Michigan
<<wanting to learn will be your most important asset>>
Thanks, Doug. It sure would be nice to think so. I don't aim to speak for
anyone else, but it's always seemed to me that you're not really ready to learn
when you hit college out of high school. It's a step toward a job, more than
anything. Or for a lot of kids — maybe most — a social event. I feel older
now (garsh, make that OLDer with upper-case!) and more ready to learn than ever
before, but with the confidence that I could be of pretty good use to someone
while I'm learning. I just need to be "put back in touch" with natural
sciences people.
Take Care!
ed
Hi, Ed–
I quite agree – students might often be well advised to work for a year or two
before going to college. I know I am often peeved at myself for not taking
full advantage of my college's learning opportunities while I was there. I
would get a lot more out of it if I were to try again.
–Doug