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#I finally saw one!

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#136389From: Robert LittleMar 19, 1994 12:24 PM
All, I finally! got to play with a CD32. I just found a new dealer (yes, an Amiga dealer opening!?!?!) in downtown Seattle, 3 blocks from my work. I wasn't real impressed with the graphics on the games. It seems they're all just ports to the CD32 and not re-written to take advantage of it's capabilities. I think the best graphics I saw were on the CD prompt screen. I wasn't too surprised. I'd heard that out here before. It seems like the games did take advantage of the space available on CD for alot of sampled audio. He'll actually have some in stock next week. If C= can ever find the Warrantee cards that someone forgot to include…we'll see how it all turns out… Robb
#136448From: Steve AhlstromMar 19, 1994 11:57 PM
Robert, You finally saw one? I've had one for at least 2 months. Exactly what games did you see? Why should you be impressed? A CD32 is a 1200 in disguise. If you want to see good graphics look at a decent game. Take a look at Microcosm or even the cover CD from Amiga User International magazine.
#136659From: Robert LittleMar 22, 1994 3:16 AM
Steve, Yep, "I" finally did! I am actually amazed that I saw one 'in an Amiga' store. I know you've had one for a while, but I hadn't seen any in this area (Seattle, WA, USA). The guy I was talking to was really hoping Microcosm would come in, soon! Being over here, I don't believe I've ever seen a Mag with a CD on the cover (although we do get quite a few Euro-mags with diskettes…I guess we'll just see if it sells over here). I don't remember the names of the games I saw, I wasn't impressed, I didn't remember (the guy I've worked with for the last 7 years thought it was pretty amazing though, and he's got kids with SNES etc…). Well, maybe I was a little impressed by the sound samples but… My girlfriend's 14 year old son is helping me make a case to buy one (appearently he has heard about it through the game mags he reads)…it isn't working on his Mom, though…I think I'll still wait 'til I see something that really does the platform justice, then I'll just buy one. That was a ramble! In short, that's my point, I'd love to see a 'decent' game on the CD32! Robb
#136720From: Karl F. KugelMar 22, 1994 11:11 PM
I just picked up a copy of Amiga User with the CD at my local Amiga dealer (KJ Computers in Los Angeles). Now, if they would only get the CD32 in, I'd be all set. They had more than 15 titles, too. BTW, I just saw my first copy of Amiga Zone, the "first Amiga game magazine". It is excellent, with summaries of all the Euro-mag reviews, and *NTSC/PAL compatibility* ratings. They also cover all CD32 games. I subscribed at once. <G> -Karl Speaking from the Rubble.
#136918From: Robert LittleMar 24, 1994 11:33 PM
Sounds like I'll be looking for Amiga Zone…the NTSC/PAL ratings alone may be worth the price. And pondering a CD32 purchase. It would help if they actually had them to buy…for some reason, when I actually buy something like this, I'd like to support actual dealers (support later on etc.) and actually get a good feeling from the person I'm buying it from rather than impersonal mail-order. Having it actually in stores also says a tad about how serious C= is in their attempt to market it here in the states. I'll bet the dealer I was at wished he had 15 titles to sell… Robb
#137974From: Karl F. KugelApr 4, 1994 1:47 AM
Whoops, it's actually called "Amiga Game Zone". My first issue arrived Saturday, although I had seen it at my dealer's. Well worth the money. Especially the compatiblity ratings: PAL/NTSC, OS version(s), and HD installable. -Karl Speaking from the Rubble.
#137275From: Robert LittleMar 28, 1994 1:19 AM
Karl, I believe I've already replied to you on this message about Amiga Zone and such…(I've been playing Frontier, damnit!, I don't have time for games that take so much time…). I talked to this dealer on 3/25 and he actually had his full order of 24 CD32's in the store! That sounds a lot different than the C= I've been used to for the last 10 years! Actually delivering the product, roughly when they said, and the entire quantity! Sounds rather promising… Robb
#137569From: CHARLES WILLIAMSMar 30, 1994 10:41 PM
Robert, I agree we do need some great software for the CD32. Maybe the mother would have been impressed if she had seen some educational programs that could help her son out in school(that takes advantage of the- audio, video, and multitasking of the CD32)…..a good football game could have impressed the son ….and if it was really GOOD it would have impressed you also.
#136691From: Peter M. D'AngeloMar 22, 1994 5:35 PM
Steve, I have a question. How in the H#$% did you get the Demo of Microcosm to work with your CD32? The Amiga CD! disk on the cover of AUI is a PAL disk so I booted my CD32 in PAL. Then after loading the demo I watched the great Intro, then just as game play was about to begin I got a green screen and a loud siren sound. Any Ideas? Peter Peter M. D'Angelo Cruising on AutoPilot over NY
#136693From: Steve AhlstromMar 22, 1994 5:49 PM
Peter, Hmmm … thanks to you I now know that I don't have a defective CD32 as I have the same symptoms <grin>. I booted my CD32 in PAL mode (mouse in port 2, hold down both mouse buttons, power on CD32, select Display Options). That helped for some things (like the Frogger game … I can actually see the frog now). Didn't help much with Microcosm, but, my dealer has Microcosm in stock (it's a pricy title! Suggested Retail is $89.95) so if I get the urge I'll go get it from him.
#136721From: Karl F. KugelMar 22, 1994 11:11 PM
Can any of you use the PAL modes with a TV, or do they only work with a monitor? -Karl Speaking from the Rubble.
#136722From: Steve AhlstromMar 22, 1994 11:13 PM
No idea … I've got my CD32 hooked up to a 1702 composite monitor.
#136750From: Dale LarsonMar 23, 1994 7:38 AM
Yes, with a PAL TV. 🙂 NTSC TVs don't like PAL inputs. — Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing — INTERNET:dale@iam.com
#136812From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiMar 23, 1994 10:46 PM
Few American TVs will display a PAL signal. My Magnavox does, my little Emerson doesn't. The Maganavox-manufactured 1084 monitors are the only ones that handle PAL well too. Must have something to do with Philips/Magnavox being so big in Europe.
#136734From: Peter M. D'AngeloMar 23, 1994 12:08 AM
Steve, Guess what? I got the Microcosm demo to run. It was an amazing thing too. Didn't have to boot PAL or anything like that. All I did was clean the CD it came on. I read somewhere that the MPEG video disks faulted when they were dirty so I thought that mabe regular CD32 disks were effected similarly. Eureka! It was worth the time (30 seconds). Now I see the great Intro and the less then great game play of Microcosm. Peter M. D'Angelo Peter M. D'Angelo Cruising on AutoPilot over NY
#136768From: Stephan OrtMar 23, 1994 3:20 PM
Hello Peter! I have the AUI CD and I had the same problems with the Microcosm demo. I found a way to play the demo without the interruption after the intro. You have to start your CD32 without a CD in it, you wait until the AMIGA CD32 logo and the music have appeared, then you put in the AUI CD. Now you must listen to the whole intro and the talking (dont interrupt them) and go directly to the Microcosm demo, now it should work. At my AMIGA CD32 it worked. By the way I have bought Microcosm in the meantime and play the whole game, I bought it for 107,00 DM. The graphics and sounds are excellent. At the beginning it was a bit boring, because it is very difficult to stay alive in the game, but after a time I got to use with the control. It is getting really interesting and it is hard action. Many greetings from Germany Stephan
#136927From: Steve AhlstromMar 25, 1994 2:49 AM
Stephan, I tried your method and got thru the intro and the game demo without the green screen. Thanks! Now I know that my CD32 is okay and the AUI CD is screwy. -sja
#137600From: EducomMar 31, 1994 8:43 AM
It seems, according to AUI, that the demo is bugged, and won't work properly… BTW, some users have been able to make it run by doing a cold boot… Some other have booted other software, then the AmigaCD! disc and had it run ok. Sorry, I have no real clue, but patience and trials are the keys |-) Your machine is not faulty 🙂 The final sales Microcosm ain't bugged anyway… Fred. Frederic Botton from Paris, France fbotton@cix.compulink.co.uk
#137603From: John ChangMar 31, 1994 9:40 AM
Frederic, We have a copy of the CD32 demo here and it works fine. Could have been the master CD that may have been defective during duplication. Carelessness I would say. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137715From: EducomApr 1, 1994 3:32 PM
John, I think you're lucky that the AUI coverCD(!) works fine, because all the people I've talked to did have problems. It doesn't always happen… I share your enthousiasm about the CD32, even if C='s situation ain't really good… But as far as I remember, they always managed to escape such situations 🙂 Cheers, Fred. Frederic Botton from Paris, France fbotton@cix.compulink.co.uk
#136636From: John ChangMar 21, 1994 9:54 PM
Here at Scala, we have two NTSC versions of the CD32. One has the FMV (Full Motion Video) MPEG video cartridge. Commodore should have sent the participating dealer a CD32 demo disk which contains upcoming or released games. This includes "Jurrasic Park" and a demo version of "Microcosim" which is currently out for the PC. There are a number of movie releases for the CD32, including "Star Trek VI", "Black Rain", etc. Pick up the latest issue of "Amiga World" or "Amazing Computing" for the latest titles available. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#136657From: Steve AhlstromMar 22, 1994 1:36 AM
John, I think you're a bit behind the times. I got an NTSC CD32 a couple of months ago. Microcosm has been out for CD32 for a couple of weeks … my dealer has 10-12 copies in stock. All "white book" videoCD titles will run on CD32 if you've got the FMV module (I don't) and there are 30 or so available now with an explosion of releases due this summer..
#136671From: John ChangMar 22, 1994 12:39 PM
So much for being on top of things! Thanks for the info Steve! Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#136757From: Mark D. ManesMar 23, 1994 11:21 AM
John, Actually the movie disks are not really released for CD32, but are actually disks that have been released that follow the Phillips CD-i video disk format which the CD32 is compatible with. I have about 10 different movies in stock. I am not really picking nits, just pointing out that these disks are now readily available and may well be in Blockbuster for rent. Phillips owns a portion of Blockbuster. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#136840From: John ChangMar 24, 1994 10:23 AM
Oh, the Grand SYSOP is now a perfectionist!!! ;-} I knew that… really, I did! Don't believe me? Mike W. may be giving you call to get some of the titles. Any recommendations? Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#136892From: Mark D. ManesMar 24, 1994 7:51 PM
If you can stand Cruise.. Top Gun is excellent. Is the Weaver-unit back from NAB yet? -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#136955From: John ChangMar 25, 1994 11:19 AM
Hey Mark, "Top Gun" it is. Mike W. is scheduled to arrive today. I expect him to be in on Monday. As you may know hosting a booth at NAB imposes a killer schedule. They have morning meetings that start at 7am then attending the booth between 9am and 6pm and then evening meetings that may last till 11pm. Glad they were there and not me! Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#136830From: Robert LittleMar 24, 1994 2:50 AM
John, I'm even amazed that C= is (or that authorized distributor over in Florida or where ever) is even 'promising' shipping this small, new, dealer, ANY CD32's (as I've seen comments out here about C= only doing whatever-mart-stores). The only reason this guy can afford to run a store around here is because he's into video production and rents the space in the first place so, he thought, why not use a few feet, hire one person, and use it as a store front? I doubt he'd be high on the list for a demo FMV. He does have the lastest stuff, unlike (the very few) other dealers, within driving distance, around here, but he's not Scala! I've got the lastest AW, the only Amiga specific subscription I have, and I don't want to see titles in a mag I want see a noticable effect from the screen I'm looking at. This guy's got a hard road just trying to run a business effectively for the Amiga platform, but you'd think they could get "Microcosm" or whatever. They have orders in. They are waiting… They're still waiting on the CD32's as well (huh, have I heard that before? Nah, must've been somewhere else…). Robb
#136842From: John ChangMar 24, 1994 11:05 AM
Robert, The latest issue of "Amiga World" should contains ads from Amiga mailorder companies that are selling the CD32 based games. "Microcosm" may not be listed, but you may want to give them a call to see if they recently got it in stock. Commodore has a strict criteria for dealers who wish to sell CD32 units. Indeed, it is no secret that Commodore is working hard to negotiate deals with several retailers to sell CD32 and software titles. As you may know, its important that Commodore close these deals with these retailers. This will make game development more profitable for everyone involved. CD32 is a fairly big success in Europe, but the American market is the biggie! What Commodore wants to insure, is that the MSRP (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price) and advertised price of the CD32 is not eroded between the Amiga dealer network and these new retailers. I don't think the larger retailers (e.g. Walmart) are going to sell CD32 initially. The price point is still to high. Value added resellers and integrators (many of which are Amiga dealers) should be interested in the CD32 for multimedia purposes. Depending on what authoring tools are available, or what will become available, the CD32 is an excellent platform for interactive multimedia training systems, kiosks, commerical insertion systems (local cable advertising), etc. A CD32 (MSRP $399) and the MPEG FMV (Full Motion Video) Cartridge (MSRP $199) makes a very powerful delivery platform for multimedia communications. I really think that this year CD32 will be the C64 that Commodore was hoping for. I recently received a letter from CEI (Creative Equipment International), the Amiga dealer distributor for CD32, stating that deliveries of the units have already started for those dealers who fall within the Commodore specified criteria. Dealer Inquiries for CD32 should call CEI at (305) 266-2800 or fax at (305) 261-2544. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#136893From: Mark D. ManesMar 24, 1994 7:52 PM
John, I should point out that Microsphere also is a distributor for CD32. CEI does NOT have a lock on the US market, though I am sure they would like everyone to think they have. 🙂 As far as strict criteria goes.. all you have to have is the ability to pay for CD32s from the distributor. I should add here that the $399 retail price will indeed be in place considering the cost figure that I have recieved for CD32. For once in Commodore history the mail order companies can't afford to sell it cheaper than I do. We shall see if that holds however. 🙂 The warranty cards are now at the distributors all the distributors (CEI included) is waiting for the software bundle from Commodore. Understand that Commodore is _not_ putting the actual physical packages together, rather the distributors are. That means Commodore ships this stuff piece-meal to the distributor. The distributor puts it together as a package. Commodore says they do not have the man power. Kinda cool huh? (grin) By the way.. still no word on A1200s being manufacturered even though Commodore has promised them. Medhi Ali has indicated that there was problems at DeWou (sp) with the picture tubes of the monitors and that is the reason the March 15th delivery day was not kept. Expect monitors in the first week of April. I leave it up to the reader to decide as to whether you believe Medhi. (grin) I agree with you on one major point though John–CD32 is/will be the best kiosk machine ever built. 🙂 -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#136913From: John GagerMar 24, 1994 10:58 PM
Mark: I thought you might be interested in a posting from Jerrell Nickerson of Eagle Tree Software concerning a CD32 development system based on their Multimedia authoring system "Helm": "No kidding, the CD32 version of Helm will be out by the end of May. Well, actually it is a version to create CD32 applications. It will cost a lot more than the standard version of Helm. It has support for the game controller, CDXL, MPEG, CD audio, the nonvolatile memory, and a more sophisticated autobrowse system for moving the focus around the page with the controller. It also takes into account some of the nuances of creating an application that must juggle CD audio or video as it moves from page to page with only one laser. You might have seen a press release for a serial cable to connect an Amiga computer to the CD32. The cable will come with Helm books that allow you to play audio and video CD's from the Amiga. There is also a miniature bulletin board system integrated in the books. You type in messages, select the effect, pen colors, speed, and background transparency on the Amiga side. Then you press a button and send a script over to the CD32 which updates the messages. MPEG video streams can play behind the text. It effectively gives you an simple offline editing system for a bulletin board. It is not as sophisticated as InfoChannel but it works and only requires the cable and a CD32. Not only that you can play Star Trek behind the text. <g> The best part is that I created the entire system in a couple of weeks and had a blast inventing new Helm features to get it to work. With the communications facilities of the next Helm, I now see a lot of possibilities for interactive books communicating over serial cables and by telephone. People will be able to create their own custom information systems that use CD32's (or any other Amiga) for remote units. Because information is passed in the form of Helm scripts, it is easy to send and receive information from the remote units. The remote units could consist of a CD32, serial cable, modem, optional FMV cartridge, monitor, and some sort of input device (probably a touch screen). Not bad when you see the enormous cost of creating a kiosk on other platforms that have integrated video and CD quality audio. Of course, 3D0 and CDI are capable of coming close in cost, but the Amiga has some advantages in existing software development tools. –Jerrell" Although Helm doesn't have the sophistication of Infochannel and Scala MM300, it looks like a nice addition as a tool for developers. I just purchased Helm a couple of weeks ago and in the process of developing some applications. The one thing I like about Helm compared to Scala or CanDo is that there is no dongle, or stupid PD licensing agreement. If you create an application with Helm, you can use it for Shareware, PD, commercial, or whatever. // John – (Flying via AutoPilot) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#137077From: Mark D. ManesMar 26, 1994 9:03 AM
John, Very interesting. Very interesting indeed! While I understand your frustration with the dongle and SCALA I must say that because of the dongle and the way SCALA works the margins on the product is maintained and SCALA has been able to grow in the rather non-expanding Amiga marketplace. Helm does sound interesting–the author purchased his Amiga 1200 from us last summer by the way. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#137124From: John GagerMar 26, 1994 2:43 PM
"Very interesting. Very interesting indeed! While I understand your frustration with the dongle and SCALA I must say that because of the dongle and the way SCALA works the margins on the product is maintained and SCALA has been able to grow in the rather non-expanding Amiga marketplace. Helm does sound interesting–the author purchased his Amiga 1200 from us last summer by the way." I understand Scala's decision to use a dongle, but I just have a personal distaste for any professional software that is protected in such a way. I would dearly like to have Brilliance, but I don't for the same reason. Just my own personal preference. Jerrell is really a nice person. He maintains a constant presence on Genie where he is very active with tips, information, and other news concerning Helm. He also has a weekly online conference along with a couple of Helm guru's to answer questions. So his level of support is hard to match. // John – (Flying via AutoPilot) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#137177From: Jerrell NickersonMar 27, 1994 12:37 AM
Thanks, John. By the way, I also check in here daily but there are fewer Helm users here. A few subscribers to GEnie became excited about Helm last summer. Their enthusiasm became infectious and resulted in a large number of very active users over there. Jerrell Nickerson Eagle Tree Software
#137219From: John GagerMar 27, 1994 2:01 PM
Hehe! It's a small world Jerrell <g>. I don't think I've ever seen you here on CompuServe, so I didn't think there would be any reprecussions from my comments. Now I know I'll have to be careful not to say too many nice things about you so your ego won't get too out of line <g>. Maybe once I get into doing more with Helm, we can get a little infectious enthusiasm started over here as well. So how is the CD32 version coming along, any projected release dates or additions since your posting on Genie? // John (Speeding on the Information Superhighway) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#137331From: Jerrell NickersonMar 28, 1994 5:58 PM
Hey, tech support calls alone keep my ego in check. <g> I plan on releasing the CD32 version of Helm by the end of May. It is coming along great. Right now, I'm trying to figure out a way to make object names dependent on the system language so you don't have to create language specific versions of a book. In general, Helm is going through a lot of dramatic changes these days because I'm trying to simultaneously create Helm 2, Helm for CD32, and Windows Helm out of the same core source code. Jerrell Nickerson Eagle Tree Software
#137144From: Mark D. ManesMar 26, 1994 5:27 PM
Golly, what an awful sentence. Let me try again: "While I understand your frustration with the dongle. I feel that the dongle has protected SCALA's investment into the Amiga marketplace. I know this to be true on the InfoChannel product." How is that.. I gotta get over this chest/head cold! (grin) -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#137176From: Jerrell NickersonMar 27, 1994 12:35 AM
Mark, I agree completely with your statement about the dongle. I might have resorted to one myself but Helm is used a lot for general applications and for interactive presentations that need to be distributed; it just wasn't an option. Concerning Helm for CD32: it is a lot of fun to develop stuff for CD32 because there is a base system with 2 megs of chip memory, a ton of storage, and the inexpensive option of full motion video. Beats a 1 meg 500 with no hard drive any day. And though I didn't intend it, Helm was structured in a way that made it a natural for CD32 type applications. It is page based and automatically loads only the page and resources that are necessary at any one time; this helps when you are creating a massive application to take advantage of the CD's storage capacity. Also, Helm has an autobrowsing system for joystick selection of objects that was easily transformed into a browsing system for the CD32's game controller. >>the author purchased his Amiga 1200 from us And not a minute's trouble. I'm pretty sure you are my local dealer. Now if you only had a branch store that is a couple of hours closer. <grin> Jerrell Nickerson Eagle Tree Software
#136956From: John ChangMar 25, 1994 11:19 AM
Reference DeWou (sp) should be Daewoo. Thanks for the updated information. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137276From: Robert LittleMar 28, 1994 1:20 AM
John, I guess I should do the cut and paste thing here, but I don't feel it's required and causes a bunch of extra bytes. Anyone using AP has the option of a parent in thier history file if they choose. So now that that is done… I've still not looked for "Microcosm" in AW 'cause I'd rather support a local dealer, if possible (and reasonable). I don't have a CD32 anywho (but I just might come monday eve). I hope (!!!!!!!) they do well with the CD32 in the USA, but was also amazed that I heard (out here on CI$) that they weren't planning on dealing with Amiga dealers! I'm even more amazed that I can walk 5 blocks from work and buy one at a small, new, Amiga dealership. From what these guys say they really are trying to keep the MSRP in line across the board. That's good for the select Amiga vendors. It would be great if the CD32 re-enforced the 'isn't that a game machine' concept and actually took the SNES, say-guts, etc. market by storm but… People are finally realizing the power of platforms with graphics capabilities. The general user will soon see the power. I hope C= is not too late. As I implied above, this dealer does have his full order in stock (Hmmm…I wonder if they take Amex…). They are really here! Robb
#137299From: John ChangMar 28, 1994 10:04 AM
Robert, The MSRP marketing policy of Commodore does make sense… its been a long time since I said that. Anyway, its good that Commodore does some distribution of the product. The ultimate potential of the CD32, other than a game machine, in other areas is the future of the Amiga technology. You may have seen that the the Panasonic "Real" 3DO unit has been drastically reduced in price. However, the cost to develop titles for the platform is fairly expensive (approximately $25,000 per workstation). To develop a title for CD32, you simply need the development kit, AGA based Amiga and programming language of your choice (approximately $5000 per workstation). Software publishes have a plethora of games that will work on the CD32 and could easily do "Mega" CD32 game titles that may have as many as 10 to 20 games per disc. Reviving old games to work on CD32 for a totally new market is also possible. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137339From: Dale LarsonMar 28, 1994 7:06 PM
Of course, there is some extent to which you get neater tools for developing 3do apps. But you get to pick your own tools with cd32. — Dale L. Larson, Intangible Assets Manufacturing — INTERNET:dale@iam.com
#137601From: John ChangMar 31, 1994 9:35 AM
Dale, I suppose so, from the reports I have recieved, the development tools are pretty cool. However, I would prefer to use my own tools and resources for production. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137465From: Robert LittleMar 30, 1994 1:02 AM
John, It kinda sounds to me like Commodore's approach to the CD32 in the US actually is making sense, when I see the product on the selves and the dealers and customers are happy with the price and supply! (That just seems plain wierd that I just typed that) Hopefully, the developer cost situation will help…? A "Mega" CD32 games CD would be good, but I'd really like to see more games take advantage of the resources available with the CD32. I decided not to get one yesterday…maybe soon… If I had the time to get back into serious Amiga programming… Robb
#137602From: John ChangMar 31, 1994 9:38 AM
Robert, Indeed things are looking good for the CD32 here in the U.S. From what I gather, CD32 distribution into several retail chains is about to roll. New and existing Amiga titles in "mega" game collections should be arriving in the new quarter. Warmest Regards, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137678From: Robert LittleApr 1, 1994 2:03 AM
John, It seems things are looking good for CD32. I just hope they're here for a while. The stock situation sounds rather bleak. Forever the optimist, I'm thinking about buying some Commodore stock while it's so low. Of course, I guess that it would have to start trading again. Robb
#137706From: John ChangApr 1, 1994 1:43 PM
Robert, I suspect that there is a lot more going on that meets the eye. Yes, I'd say go for purchasing some of the Commodore stock while its cheap. Sincerely, John Chang Technical Support Manager Scala, Inc.
#137751From: Robert LittleApr 2, 1994 1:02 AM
John, If Commodore stock was, actually, on the market, perhaps I would. Robb (Amiga optimist)