#non-linear editing
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I am very interested in non-linear editing for the Amiga. Anything
out there or coming soon. With non-linear editing already the
professional standard (with AVID) and the weddings and bar mitzvah
standard (with D-Vision), it is essential that there be a non-linear
editing system for the Amiga. The system must include some way to
economize on the massive amounts of storage necessary to do
non-linear editing. I would be interested in prices, where to buy
information, etc.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
contact: Jud Alford, NewTek Inc. (913) 228-8000
NEWTEK STUNS NAB WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE VIDEO TOASTER FLYER
TAPELESS EDITING SYSTEM
Las Vegas, March 20, 1994 – NewTek, Inc., the pioneers of the desktop
video industry, announce the Video Toaster Flyer, the first D2
quality tapeless editing system. With the Flyer priced at $3995,
NewTek once again shatters the price/performance standards for
broadcast quality video production just as they did with the release
of the Video Toaster in 1990.
"When we originally conceived the idea for the Video Toaster it was
to provide all the tools necessary to create broadcast quality
television at a price almost anyone could afford." said Tim Jenison,
NewTek President. "With the introduction of the Video Toaster Flyer
we have made the tools even more accessible, reducing the cost of
production by an order of magnitude."
The Video Toaster Flyer is the result of more than seven years of
intense research and development. The Video Toaster Flyer offers D2
quality video and CD quality audio editing in a tapeless, non-linear
environment. The Video Toaster Flyer tapeless editor allows the user
to dial in the video quality, up to lossless D2 quality. All video
data is stored on computer hard drives that allow the user to access
particular segments instantaneously without having to shuttle from
one point to another as in traditional tape editing. The system
employs an easy to use, drag and drop storyboard interface.
The breakthrough technology in the Video Toaster Flyer is NewTek's
revolutionary new VTASC compression algorithm. VTASC sets a new
standard for hard disk based video compresson by combining D2,
broadcast quality video with unprecedented compression ratios. NewTek
is currently in discussion with a number of vendors looking to
license VTASC and Video Toaster Flyer technology.
The Video Toaster Flyer continues NewTek's tradition of providing easy
to use, broadcast quality video production tools, at unbelivevably
low prices.. The complete Video Toaster Flyer system provides the
ability to incorporate all of the tools from the Video Toaster;
digital video effects, paint graphics, titles and animations directly
into productions edited from one simple interface. For Toaster
LightWave 3D users, the tapeless editor will allow the blending of
moving video easily and seamlessly into animated video prouctions.
NewTek will be demonstrating the Video Toaster Flyer at the National
Association of Broadcasters Convention, March 21-24 in Booth #11050.
Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to make it to the NAB, but I
would like to know where I could purchase a system in the NYC area,
and how much material can be worked with on the basic $3995 system.
In other works how many gigabytes of storage does that include, and
what is the ratio of storage to length of material. Also, does the
$3995 include the Toaster or must that be purchased separately?
Please respond quickly. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THE PRODUCT. Also,
could you send me a brochure in the mail. Alyce Wittenstein,
Atomique Film International, 110-20 71st Road, Forest Hills, NY
11375.
You can probably find the Toaster and other goodies from Newtek at
Armato's in Queens
Alyce:
> "how much material can be worked with on the basic $3995 system"
NONE….
The Flyer is very much like the toaster was when it first was released.
for $3995 you get a card that goes in your Amiga and some software. That's
it. sure you probably get a manule too. You will need to go and buy your
own hard drives. and a CD-Rom player. thats right hard drive"s". the
system records all video to redundant hard drives so that it can have A-B
Roll capability. It will give you about 6 min per Gig at the highest
resolution (which by the way is LOSSLESS, lets see AVID or IMIX say that)
you can get more time the lower the resolution you use.
The other news is that it wont be released untill the Fall. they wanted to
show it at NAB so that they could get reactions from profesionals. Find
what they want and need in the final version of the software.
If you get Toaster User Mag they will have a huge spread on it this
month.
Brad Hayes
CG&A
Sorry to bother you but I was gone a couple weeks. Was there a press
release or something posted here about the Flyer? Will it cooperate w/
the Toaster? Etc – all the usual questions. In short, could you or
someone tell me where to go to find out all this neat stuff?
TIA
Paul
Paul:
>>Was there a press release or something posted here about the
Flyer?<<
I'm sure that there must be a release here somewhere. but I havent looked.
>>Will it cooperate w/ the Toaster?<<
It is the Toaster… sorta'… It uses the toaster Interface, but now
you select what Mode you want to use and the Effects Bank becomes an empty
storyboard the Lower part of the screen CAN become a storage area for your
video clips. You just drag them up and drop them in order. You can then
grab the standard Toaster Effects and drop them in where they need to go.
Ba'Boom your done. Simple enough your Mother could use it. (No dig at your
Mother intended).
Brad Hayes
CG&A
Any idea of the LENGTH that this miracle gadget is capable of at the $3995
price? 30 minutes, 15 minutes 1 hour????
3995 is for the card only. you will need drives also. A 1 gig drive at the
highest D2 quality (No Loss!) will give you about 6 minutes of video. For
most applications, people will not have to use that high of a quality
tho.
JG
JG –
Lets say that you *DO* use 'd2' quality on a 1 GIG drive.
The Drive's maximum transfer rate is probably around 2 megabytes per second for
sustained transfers.
D2 bandwidth is probably around 13 megabytes per second.
So where does the difference come in!? If Newtek are using compression at 5:1
or 6:1 to get them to their bandwidth target then it aint going to be d2
quality but some lossy subset of it.
Any idea what the quality tradeoffs are like?
— Jez.
Uh…sustained transfer rates are closer to 5 to 7 megabytes per second! This
is fast-SCSI 2, not standard SCSI. I get 5.75+ using a Fastlane and a Seagate
Barracuda!
-Chas
Intelligent Machines
Thats a bit on the high side. Are you positive that you get sustained transfer
at that speed, and not 'burst transfer' ?
— Jez.
The new Micropolis drives on the DPS PAR routinely get 4.75+ mb/s transfer
rates. Rates in excess of 5 are not uncommon with the proper drives.
-Chas
Actually, at D2 levels, transfer rates are 5+ megs per sec.
At lower quality levels, they will drop down to about 2 or so.
JG
John,
Have you seen the Flyer ?? If so, are the Toaster's DVE's cleaned up ?? It
seems logical that advances in video compression and depixelizing those effects
should go hand in hand…
Jerry
I think that will be coming. I know that realtime effects will be
possible.
JG
John:
You were there, don't get their hopes up. Real time effects, sure, it
interfaces with the toaster. But the Toaster dose have it's limits.
However the way it was explained to me is that you can set up an Effect as
a light wave animation. Using the video on the drives as a texture map.
That way you will be able to get "D2" quality effect, warps, and
transitions. But unless you know something we don't ( and that wouldn't
suprise me) I dont think will be seeing any cleaner effects till the Power
PC toaster is here….
Brad Hayes
CG&A
What PPC toaster?
Paul
Hi Ho:
PPC Toaster Maybe, Maybe not.
Just a thought…..
Brad Hayes
CG&A
Amen, Hallelujah, Amen. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I just bought a
PowerPC 8100, and it is unreal. My toaster is fighting an uphill battle when it
comes to speed and quality.
Just give me lightwave in native PPC code, and I will be happy!!!
Andrew S. Milkis Digital Euphoria
–Using a friends CompuServe Account—
But maybe, just maybe, with a few Raptors hooked up, realtime effects would be
possible. If NewTek could (even more than it is now) port all of the
Toaster/Raptor/Flyer software into one package, you could build a cube, for
example, tell LW to pull the sequence off the harddrive, render via the Raptor,
save the image in the flyer format and inter cut the New effect footage
inbetween the orginals… all within the editor screen… now that would be
something!
What would be even better is if NewTek would port all the screens to large
display cards… 4 overscan screens on 1 21" monitior! YES!
GM
John,
Have you seen the Flyer ?? If so, are the Toaster's DVE's cleaned up ?? It
seems logical that advances in video compression and depixelizing those effects
should go hand in hand…
Jerry
Thanx for the info John, any idea of what the Running time for VHS quality
output would be per Gig? I'd be interested in one for How To video making
but 6 minutes per Gig is a bit costly for me. I have seen one place in VTU
advertising a 7 GIG HD tho…… I think it was Alpha Video.
Have to check on lower rates.
JG
Thank you kindly. BTW has the new issue of LWPRO come out yet? I've
recieved 3 so far…… Or are ye waiting till after NAB to Blow our
minds?
Should be shipping. Unfortunately lead time is such that we won't get to
NAB until a few issues down the road.
JG
So issue 4 of LWPro is shipping. Cool, it'll give me something to read
after I finish my first issue of CineF/X
John,
Do you know if this Flyer will run with a Toaster in a 2000? Does it
require the new Toaster 4000 board?
-Jim
The Flyer will run in a 2000, 3000, or 4000. It will work with older
boards also.
JG
Alyce,
Hello, again. So, you wanna talk non-linear now <grin>?
Hope I don't sound like a dweeb with all my little grins all over the
place.
Anyway, I know of one product that exists right now (just came out)
called Digital Edit Master. Give AntiGravity Products a call (310)
393-6650. They seem to be an exclusive dealer for this non-linear
system. There are two models, one for the A2000 and up, and another
for Zorro-III capable Amigas.
Also, NewTek is supposed to announce their own non-linear baby this
week at NAB. I'm sure we'll be hearing about it soon.
Hope this helps.