CompuServe Thread

#Clip Problem is Real

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#102042From: henry tellerFeb 18, 1995 10:38 PM
Wayne – I believe the SMPTE recording is planned for the 4.0 release, and the GPI trigger should be in the Control folder with 4.0 also. The CG is working, but as you may have noticed, keys, crawls and scrolls aren't. I also expect NewTek to complete the manual with an index as soon as 4.0, and all the programs, are finished. 4.0 will also have the ability to do unlimited lossless D2 layered video by using the "Main Output" as input to record Flyer clips. At present, you can set the Switcher screen to DV1 or DV2 and record framestores to a Flyer video clip. You can even do a cut or dissolve to the other buffer during recording. Speed up framestore processing considerably. We may see many VTASC related utilities at NAB in April. I'm sure when NewTek had its developers' conference, the technology was released also. In case you're looking for hard drives, maybe I can help. Videology provides Flyer drives, cables and chassises, of course. Just drop me a note and I get you a quote. Hank Videology, Inc. Where you get P.O.M.P. under all circumstances
#102061From: Wayne ColeFeb 19, 1995 1:44 AM
>>4.0 will also have the ability to do unlimited lossless D2 layered video by using the "Main Output" as input to record Flyer clips. At present, you can set the Switcher screen to DV1 or DV2 and record framestores to a Flyer video clip. You can even do a cut or dissolve to the other buffer during recording. Speed up framestore processing considerably. >> This is great news but comes as s surpise. The reason I say this is becuase early on after the Flyer announcement I asked NT about this very operation. They said that the Flyer could not play and capture video at the same time. So the compositing operation as I understood it would require output to tape and recapture for each 2 layers of composite desired. Sounds like from what you said (unless I'm reading more into it than intended) that by playing the flyer 'closed loop" I never have to take the video outside of the FLyer domain until I've finished all n layers of composite. Re: the index – I'm picky. I don't consider any of those keyword lists that have randomly appeared at the end of Toaster documents as a true index by any stretch of the imagination… As a matter of fact, thought they keep improving, I don't consider the manuals are real manuals either. More like collected crib sheets. Yeah, you guessed it, it's been a REALLY BAD week. :^{ wmc – via Autopilot!
#102079From: Gary KleinerFeb 19, 1995 10:14 AM
Wayne, The Flyer is not really "playing" the framestores, so this doesn't count. You CAN cut or dissolve between Toaster input 1 & 2, but this sin't really what you're getting excited about either. Regards, Gary
#102083From: Michael MiloffFeb 19, 1995 1:30 PM
Wayne, I very much agree with you that the capacity to use lossless layering would significantly enhance the flyer. I also understand that the current version does not support it. I have thrown out some "crazy" ideas in the past as to how this might be done – and I sure would like to hear from NEWTEK where this fits on their priority list. One option would be to stick another flyer into the system and be able to go back and forth between the flyers. Minimal hard drive space would be required as people would generally just be working in small segments. With the right interface and utilization of Hollywood style front ends and lightwave – and with some super programming of both canned effects and capacity for special effects, one should be able to duplicate the quality and layering in expensive systems – albeit waiting for rendering time rather than real-time. Of course, it would be better to be able to do it using just one flyer board. Here's hoping.. Michael
#102120From: henry tellerFeb 19, 1995 11:08 PM
They could really improve on the INDEX function, and prepare better manuals. Maybe when 4.0 is running, we'll get a better manual *:v), and then . . . . I've verified the layering ability twice, and I must admit it sounds too good to be true. I'll keep reviewing it will Tech Support, and see if they back off as deliver day approaches. Hank Videology, Inc. Where you get P.O.M.P. under all circumstances
#102134From: Wayne ColeFeb 20, 1995 1:49 AM
Hank, you sent me a quote on the drives a while back, but I could use a "refresh" with enclosure and cables. The dealer I'm workign with has a good deal on the 7 bay drive cases, but they just don't seem to be able to sort out the cable and cert/compat drive issue… BTW, something else that is not clear to me from the manual. They say that you set the in/out points for the clip you want to RECORD. Since there is no SMPTE in, do these just not work now? Do you just "punch and crunch" the stuff in? wmc – via Autopilot!
#102200From: henry tellerFeb 20, 1995 10:00 PM
Wayne, At present there is no plans to allow digitizing with control of the play decks time code. The Flyer will digitize the time code from a deck and save it with the clip for reference (in 4.0), but it offers no control based on time code. However, several third parties are doing applications now that do use time code and interface with the Flyer, so we may have to wait for NAB to see what they're working on. With the Flyer, you record clips as you view them on the play monitor. With 4.0's Cutting Room, you'll then be able to cut them up into clips, separate audio as needed, create individual frame stores, and have the Flyer clean all unused frames and reorganize the drives for maximum storage. I'll have current drive prices tomorrow night. Thanks for the support. Hank Videology, Inc. Where you get P.O.M.P. under all circumstances