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#Output to Video

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#156578From: Ray ChapmanMar 1, 1995 10:32 PM
I teach at a University and have some students working with 3D Studio. I would like to put their work on Video, but (and don't let this get out) know absolutely nothing about it. What type of output card do I need? Any suggested suppliers? We are DOS users and have limited funds. Any help and advise will be appreciated Ray
#156643From: Jonas Ruikis [ADESK]Mar 2, 1995 10:37 AM
Hi Ray, << .. out to video..shhh!..>> Please review the following thread for starters.. File Info for BOARDS.ZIP Section: Index and Info Contributor: 73172,1351 Size: 12132 Submitted: 7/12/94 Type: Binary Accesses: 156 Title: MAX/PAR/other Debate Keys: MAX PAR VIDEO BOARD DEBATE A PreSiggraph 94 thread debating the merits of the MAX/PAR and alternatives.
#157225From: Ray ChapmanMar 5, 1995 10:29 PM
I took your advice and down loaded the MAX/PAR file. To be honest, it is way above me at this point. Thanks Ray
#156654From: John K. JordanMar 2, 1995 11:05 AM
>>university video… There are three ways I have some experience with: A great way is a device called the PAR which will give you 24bit color at 30fps, but it will cost $2500 or so. The quality is perfect for industrial/technical animation. A much worse way, but with much better quality, is to use a frame-accurate VTR with a special controller. This is very expensive and a lot of headache. A less expensive way is to use a VGA->NTSC converter, ranging from a Magni board ($1700 or so?) to much less expensive external boxes with perhaps somewhat lesser quality. These will, however, only let you record 8-bit color at perhaps 15fps or so, but may be more than adequate for your application. I think you can get a converter for a couple of hundred dollars, but I don't have a specific one in mind. Another possible solution is to find some benevolent local animator with good equipment and a big heart to volunteer to do this for you occasionally. There may be a user's group nearby which may provide contacts. Also many industrial and government agencies, such as where I work, often work up partnerships with local universities and can provide resources. Where are you located? JKJ >>(don't let this get out)… You don't really learn till you start to teach!
#157226From: Ray ChapmanMar 5, 1995 10:29 PM
We are located in Rochester, NY. I have heard of one company in the area that could do a video, but they can not handle my SyQuest. I found an add in the Cadalyst (sp) magazine for a board. It is a MARS MPEG board from Daewoo. The output is 352×240, 30 fps/352×288, 25 fps. I don't know if this is good or bad, but the cost is right, $1200. Do you have any feel for it? Ray
#157232From: John K. JordanMar 5, 1995 11:15 PM
A couple of people on this forum have purchased/evaluated the MARS. From what I've heard, it is fine if that resolution is not a problem. Most animation for video is done at a higher resolution (the PAR is 756×480 and video framebuffers are usually no less than 512×486), but the lower resolution may not be objectionable for your application. I've put 320×200 test flics to video and they were reasonable. Since VHS tape looses so much anyway, the result was actually better than I expected. Try to see one in action first, or at least get a demo tape from the MARS manufacturer. Perhaps a MARS owner will respond here. (oops, the PAR is 752×480, not 756×480) JKJ
#157245From: John SchmidtMar 6, 1995 1:23 AM
Ray, >> MARS MPEG board Download MARSRV.TXT from the libraries; it reviews the MARS card. If you have more questions, drop me a line; I've been playing with one for a few weeks now. John
#156794From: Paul LempkeMar 3, 1995 12:14 AM
>>video output<< Hi, I'm teaching a 3DS class at the University of Illinois at Chicago and using a PAR for video output. It is one of the easier -high quality- video devices to use, if you aren't too familiar with video. There is a lot of info on the forum about this. It costs about $2700 with the 1.6GB hd. For decent quality(vhs quality anyway), truecolor 30 frame/sec video at a more affordable price, you might look at the MARS system. It has lower (read cheaper) system requirements and is easy to use. The MPEG files that it works with are compact, render quickly and play smoothly off of standard hard drives. Unless you are running a Video production class and need the best quality available, then I think the MARS will satisfy your students. They have educational pricing ~$900. When I'm not teaching, I sell 3DS and videographics systems; but I only sell MARS in Illinois<G>. Best of luck with your class, Paul 'Adjunct Asst. Professor' Lempke -Rising Star Graphics
#157219From: Ray ChapmanMar 5, 1995 10:15 PM
Thanks for the tip. I don't need production quality at this time. Maybe in the future after we get out feet wet. I found an add from a company called Daewoo for a MARS, MPEG board in Cadalyst. Is this the same thing? The output is 352×240, 30fps. Is this full screen video? That price of $900 is in line with my budget Ray
#157593From: Paul LempkeMar 7, 1995 3:25 PM
>>Daewoo for a MARS Yes, that's it. It is full video in that it fills an NTSC monitor/television screen. Its a question of whether you need professional quality video or just a fast, convenient way to get truecolor animation out to tape in 'realtime'. Check the review John Schmidt mentioned -I agree with the overall assessment. Good luck -Paul
#157674From: Ray ChapmanMar 7, 1995 9:59 PM
I did get the review and I think it will fit my requirements. I faxed Daewoo today for a price. If it is line with my budget we are in business. Thanks for the help Ray
#157899From: Paul LempkeMar 8, 1995 10:52 PM
Good Luck, I am sure you'll get good results. -Paul