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#Publisher's Type Foundry

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#3453From: Jonathan SachsApr 18, 1988 12:12 PM
What am I writing for these days? Money, mainly. I'm so busy doing manuals for clients that I don't have time for much else. I've done a couple of things for Borland's new house publication, _Turbo_Technix_, and will probably do more. Apart from that, my main ambition is to find time to write some fiction (I mean fiction that's _supposed_ to be fiction…)
#3457From: Rich ParkerApr 18, 1988 4:44 PM
Jonathan, It looks like you and I are in the same game. I make my (very good) living at writing technical manuals for Silicon Valley high-technology companies and also have aspirations to write fiction! I know very well of the "other" fiction that you mentioned—it's all too prevalent in this area. Most of my work is devoted to 100+ page (sometimes 800+ page) manuals that are constantly in a state of being upgraded or superceded by new versions. I'm using Ventura Publisher for all of my latest manuals, having recently converted over from TeX. The only thing I miss that TeX had, in spades, was support for mathematical typesetting and those super "math-italic" fonts. If you happen to know of anyone who sells math-fonts (not the stupid "symbol" stuff, but "real" mathematics-oriented typefaces) that are compatible with VP, I'd appreciate knowing about them. Also, if some brave soul knows how to convert TeX's bitmapped fonts and `.tfm' files to PostScript, or VP-compatible form, I'd be interested in having a copy of the program that does that. -rich-
#3500From: Jonathan SachsApr 20, 1988 2:46 PM
What sort of fiction are you interested in? My interests run mostly to "soft" science fiction: character-study stories that happen to be set against a science fiction background. I've been attending meetings of a writer's group for about four years, during which time I've written perhaps 3-1/2 stories, much less than I'd like. I've never gotten really involved with TeX, although I've come close from time to time. I'm currently doing most of my work in Microsoft Word, at my clients' requests. Most of my work is similar to most of yours, except that I tend to write sets of medium length manuals instead of single huge ones. My update problems are the same as yours. I'm curious to know what you think of Ventura's indexing facility. I've studied it (I haven't used it extensively) and it looks both limited and awkward. I've thought about developing an accessory program that would insert index entries much more efficiently and also do a better job of index generation. Any comments? Are you a member of the V.P. User's Group? There's a good chance that someone there knows about math fonts for Ventura, or can create them. BTW, Publisher's Type Foundry now claims to talk to Ventura, although I can't try it out until I can persuade Windows to run on my machine.
#3508From: Rich ParkerApr 20, 1988 7:09 PM
Jonathan, I also use Microsoft Word, extensively. I spend most of my time in that environment—but with just a simple style-sheet that provides visual separation of paragraphs, and no formatting per-se—and then import the text into Ventura Publisher for formatting and layout. I confess I haven't yet used VP's index facility, just the Table of Contents generation, so I don't have a considered opinion as yet. I'm in the midst of preparing a medium-size manual just now and will probably have to bite the bullet and get acquainted with indexing soon. No system of indexing is very easy and from what I've read about VP's version, it seems like the usual sort of headache (inserting index entries where they belong). The main problem is selecting index-able topics and keeping track of the keywords so that you don't have several nearly-alike entries. One thing that's very poor in VP is the lack of a "cross-reference" facility. You have to indicate these manually and if the sectioning changes, it's a major headache. That's one area where TeX (actually, LaTeX) is much better than VP. I'm not familiar with Publisher's Type Foundry and I'm also reluctant to run Windows, so… (too slow)! I guess I'll have to wait for some more progress on DTP fonts and not get too anxious about the math-italic faces. RE: fiction. I haven't really completed anything in that regard. I've started several books that are "Michael Crichton"-like things (Andromeda Strain), but seem to bog down and discard them before completion. I'm inclined toward computer-oriented fiction…maybe some day… 🙂 -rich-
#3519From: Eli WillnerApr 20, 1988 11:11 PM
If I may jump in, I think that Ventura's indexing facility is good, but its toc facility isn't. In general, multichapter publications aren't handled as well as they might be. Ventura doesn't automatically handle page numbers from chapter to chapter — you've got to note where one chapter ends, and manually set the first page number of the next chapter. Same is true for chapter numbers. Ventura will let you specify that a chapter start on a left or right page, but it doesn't adjust the preceding chapter by inserting a blank page when appropriate. And Ventura doesn't correctly handle more than a single logical chapter in a chapter file. Looking forward to 1.2… Eli