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Video Toaster (again)

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#32654From: Harry CallesisApr 28, 1990 4:04 PM
Heard some interesting news about the infamous Toaster last night. A friend of mine had been at WOA and talked to one of the techs at the NewTek booth. It seems that the Toaster requires a "time base corrector" to work with video tape input, or if using live camera input the camera must have external synch. According to my friend, who is no stranger to the pro/broadcast end of things, the low-end price for either of these gadgets is around $3000-$4000. If this is true, alluva sudden I'm not on such a hurry to get one … Anyone have any additional information on this? RAD?
#32662From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.Apr 28, 1990 8:50 PM
When the Video Toaster is closer to release (about 1 week prior), we will be posting specifications and recommended product list in AmigaVendor (area #3). But to answer your question, the Toaster is very useful with a one camera or camcorder (input in camera mode) for doing special effects, 24bit frame grabbing, character generation and switcher effects between the still store and live camera. If you were interested in running multiple cameras, each additional camera (upto 3) need to have genlock backs. For the additional cameras, we recommend the Panasonic D5000 or D5100. These cameras come with genlock backs and sell for under $1000 each. We did the entire Penn & Teller production with 3 of these cameras and 1 Video Toaster. These cameras will sync to your home camera or camcorder for an upto 4 camera broadcast type shoot. In terms of VCRs, there have been some fairly interesting releases in the last 6 months. On the low end, Panasonic has just released the 4990 SVHS deck with TBC. This deck sells for about $1300 and has some editing capabilities. For the professional videographer (but still on a limited budget) we recommend the Hitachi VLS100 deck. This deck sells for about $2800 and has a TBC which you can sync up to other TBC VCRs or genlock cameras, (unlike the Panasonic 4990) and has the very high end feature of SMPTE time code. With a couple of these decks, and a compatible Amiga A/B roll editing hardware and software you have about the equivalent of a low end TV station for 1/10th the cost. But the Video Toaster is useful for many other applications that do not require cameras at all. For example, the Toaster has two 24bit broadcast quality composite frame buffers compatible with all 24bit IFF products and popular 3D products like Turbo Silver and Sculpt4D. Seeing the output of these products in 16 million colors in full NTSC resolution (over 400 horizontal lines) is cool. You can also use the character generator to create screens with smooth gradations, 35ns fonts, and smooth rolls and crawls. When you combine these features along with the Video Toaster's effect engine, you have a 16 million color slide show that will put any MACII (selling for alot more) to shame. If you add a camera at this point, you are dealing with true color frames in your slide show as well and if you feel like it, the Video Toaster will load in any standard Amiga IFF graphics mode file (like Digi-Paint 3 or Deluxe Paint III). If you have any other questions, please ask.
#32664From: David McCabeApr 28, 1990 9:52 PM
As for the time-base-corrector, the prices are coming down because it is not just brodcast pro's that are buying them anymore. You can now get one in the $1000-$2000 range. Most brodcast video camera's already have external sync capability.
#32699From: Paul DowgewiczApr 29, 1990 4:59 PM
I believe most TV cameras have the capability for external sync. I'm not sure what's available on most camcorders though. It would have to be more than just video and audio connections though. If you're running from the same 60 Hz source as the Amiga, it may work without it. As far as a time base corrector, I don't have any knowledge of those things. Big deal anyway. Penn and Teller told me (through tape) that I would have a savings of $54,000 after buying a toaster instead of other equipment. With that much money lying around, what's a few thousand more?
#32707From: Harry CallesisApr 29, 1990 7:09 PM
Trouble is, I don't have those few thousand dollars. I've been looking at existing genlocks, frame grabbers/buffers, etc. (which will work with equipment I currently own) and was interesting in getting all that plus more in _one_ unit with the toaster, for about the same cost. If I am going to have to buy all new equipment just to use the toaster (see RAD's messages to me and my responce to him for prices he quotes) I'm better off going with the seperate pieces that work with equipment I have.
#32738From: SyndesisApr 30, 1990 1:41 PM
Gee, you *believed* Penn and Teller? Do you know who these guys are, and what kind of reputation they have? Were they wearing red glasses when they told you this?