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#WIN Morph

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#53070From: Ralph MarbachMar 20, 1993 10:23 PM
Hi Ben, Just thought I would stop by with a couple of posers and comments. I just obtained my copy of Winimages Morph last week. GREAT PROGRAM!!! I was debating as to whether I should drop you a note in this forum, or over in the GraphDev morphing section. I opted for this forum as it took me over an hour to dig myself out from underneath the flying fur and feathers, the last time I browsed through that forum 🙂 . Now to nit-pick a little. I have no objection to an on line manual, especially if it saves me a couple of bucks , but your manual is somewhat spartan. This is my first contact with a morphing program, and after reading through the documentation I had more questions than answers. Some hints and tips scattered through the document would be very helpful to first time users. When I open up the program and select distortion morph and load the start frame, the program loads the same image in the end frame. If I try to enter a point on the image I get the error message (both start frame and end frame must be loaded ok?) I then have to go to the file menu and load the end frame eventhough the program has already done this. Is this the way the program is supposed to work or is this what is known as a BUG (or as software publishers like to say, Undocumented Feature)? 🙂 Also the flyer that came with the software hinted at future programs that would be released to run under WinImages. How about a hint as to what is coming. Thanks.
#53086From: Black Belt SystemsMar 21, 1993 6:53 PM
Glad you like it – glad you posted here, too. One of the *big* advantages about that manual is that we can improve it and get it to you at a *very* minimal cost, while a printed manual takes more time *and* money and usually is less timely right from the printer (IE already out of date unless you release a fossil program). So, if you have suggestions on the manual, send 'em along and we'll see what we can do to improve those issues – we're *very* receptive to comments and in no way consider the manual (or the program) "finished". Regarding the distortion morph error message you report, sounds definitely like a bug – call the tech support people and they'll take *very* good care of you – have you fixed up in a jiffy. The next product is "WinImages: F/x", which will offer a number of other cool and useful image manipulation tools. We've got the most advanced imagae manipulation system available on *any* platform now running on the Amiga; we're working quite diligently to bring more of those effects to the Windows 3.1 world. When we do, I hope you'll be pleased with our efforts. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53096From: Joe KuzmaMar 21, 1993 9:56 PM
Ben, I'm interested in hearing more of your products for Windows, if I hear correct. Is the Graphdev the right place for this? Joe
#53111From: Black Belt SystemsMar 22, 1993 10:11 AM
Actually, this is the best place for it presently, if you have questions. GraphDev is just a programmer's haven – there's a "morphing" section I've been looking in on for a few months, and where a demo of the Windows morphing s/w is uploaded, but it's not any kind of an official presence. The only place I promise to watch is right here – there are times I turn off the other Amiga fora when I run out of bandwidth, so to speak, but I *always* watch our section here in AmigaVendor, and will be pleased to answer any of your questions here. I'll also be happy to answer any philosophical issues – concerns about our presence in the Windows market, or in the Amiga market. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53127From: Vance SchowalterMar 22, 1993 9:06 PM
Hi, Ben! Quicky question. Are there any plans in the forseeable future for BBS to develop a virtual memory utility? Seems like there aren't enough on the market to choose from. Vance
#53159From: Black Belt SystemsMar 23, 1993 1:10 PM
No – we think CBM should be doing that. They know we think that (as do many, many other developers). There's a lot of pressure from the developers to do it, and now that not one but several developers have already done it, CBM's likely to do it too. They were saying it was too hard for a while, but now that they've had their nose rubbed in it, so to speak, we know THEY know it isn't all that hard. This is definitely something that should be in at the "bowels" level of the OS software. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53206From: Vance SchowalterMar 23, 1993 11:36 PM
I've only heard of GigaMem, ImageFX' VM and the Shareware HDMem. Have you tried HDMem? I couldn't get it to work on my A3000T, so I gave up. Does GigaMem noticably cut into rendering speeds, or is it only noticed when loading/saving? Vance P.S. Here's to hoping that CBM will pick up on VM. Seems like every other platform is into it.
#53221From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 4:43 AM
I have not tried HDmem. And I've not extensively used GigaMem, I have to disable my main memory to do it – I've got about 40 mb of ram, and so don't ever need GigaMem myself; all the office machines also have lots and lots of ram. VM is a last-ditch solution, no matter how it's implemented; more ram is a much better answer, always, on a modern Amiga. Progressive sells 64mb cards… :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53230From: Vance SchowalterMar 24, 1993 11:07 AM
Well, I have to get my motherboard filled first before I get PS&S's 64mb ram card. I guess I'd better fork over for more ZIP's. I've heard they're not that expensive anymore… *8> You do realize, that in telling me about your 40mb of ram, you have reduced me to the netherworlds of envy?! Have pity, man! *8) Vance
#53283From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 11:32 PM
Uh, sorry. :^) Would it help to tell you that my 4000 only has MB memory, and that I regularly dream about those 64mb cards? –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53306From: Vance SchowalterMar 25, 1993 1:40 AM
Yup, it softened the blow a little… *8D Vance …Virtually Hangin' In…
#53238From: Richard S. Rose,M.D.Mar 24, 1993 1:32 PM
Ben, "VM is a last-ditch solution, no matter how it's implemented; more ram is a much better answer . . ." True. But the reality in today's world is that real RAM is still far too expensive and VM is the only workable solution for lots of us no matter what the other options are. I am frequently asked to handle 11 x 17, 300 dpi, 24 bit CMYK files. A file of an image that size is approximately 67 megs itself. As you know, the memory requirements of the machine are 4 to 5 times the image size. We currently handle such tasks on a Mac Quadra with a 600 meg HD acting as the VM space. Real RAM is just not an available option for this kind of setup. I would dearly like to have a Crosfield or Scitec high end system which _does_ handle the whole image in RAM (I am told), but million dollar systems are a little beyond my present pocket book's limits. 8) Rich
#53287From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 11:34 PM
Ouch. :^) Still, an Amiga 4000 with about 10-20k of $$$ invested in ram could do it no sweat… –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53349From: Richard S. Rose,M.D.Mar 25, 1993 9:48 PM
Ben, I dream of having a 4000 with 128 megs of RAM. Maybe by the end of 1993. Rich
#53342From: Vic WagnerMar 25, 1993 9:46 PM
Doc, 11 x 17 x 300dpi x 24bit == 50,490,000 bytes. lesse, that's 50megabytes. Even at $100/megabyte that's only $5000.
#53358From: Richard S. Rose,M.D.Mar 25, 1993 11:20 PM
Vic, An 11 x 17 x 300 dpi x 24 bit image _is_ technically speaking 50,490,000 bytes. But it very quickly becomes 67,320,000 when converted from the 24 bit RGB raw data into a 32 bit CMYK image that I need to work with. Then the computer needs 4 to 5 times that much memory/VM for image manipulation _in addition to_ the memory for the image itself, _plus_ memory for the OS and the application program(s). 128 megs of real RAM in a 4000 would be a nice starting point. Memory prices today are $30-50 per meg in either 1 meg or 4 meg simm packages. To cram 128 megs into a 4000 would require using 16 meg simms. 16 meg simms are still a little pricey. About twice the price of the lower density chips. That places 128 megs at between $8000-12,800. <gulp> Rich
#53248From: Peter GreciMar 24, 1993 4:09 PM
Ben, What type of Ram Chips does that 64 mb Ram card for the A3000 use? 16 meg Simms? I'm bummed, still no IM 9.5 yet boo hoo boo hoo
#53288From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 11:35 PM
I dunno – I think the card comes stuffed… No 9.50? Hmmm. They're outa here, for sure – call 800 852 6442 and make sure you didn't get lost in the shuffle, ok? We really ran around crazy here for about a week… extra help and all. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53326From: Peter GreciMar 25, 1993 5:18 PM
I'm pretty sure the 64 mb RAM card for the A3000 does NOT come with ANY ram on board. I just called and was told that it shipped the 23rd which was a mere 2 days ago so it's too early to PANIC hehehehehehe I guess I'll get it by Monday/Tuesday. Thanx Ben.
#53237From: Richard S. Rose,M.D.Mar 24, 1993 1:31 PM
Vance, I've just downloaded HDmem. The docs refer to a registration doc to order the complete program (which allows more than the small amount of VM in the demo version). My download has no registration doc. Do you know how to register HDmem? Thanks, Rich
#53274From: Steve SetzerMar 24, 1993 9:33 PM
Richard, The registration info for HDMemis in the copyright notice: To register, send DM 50,- or $35 to me in one of the following manners: 1. Cash – US dollars or Deutsche Marks to my address. (This is not the best way) 2. A transfer check to my bank: Nassauische Sparkasse Oberursel, Germany BLZ 510 500 15, Konto no. 259 019 877 (This is a german account) Don't forget that your bank AND my bank press charges when trans- ferring money from a foreign bank. I DO NOT WANT TO PAY THEM, YOU HAVE TO!. Please tell this to the bank clerk. 3. Sending a check(only for german users, please). In all three cases, please send a letter with your precise order to me. Write your address clearly, I want to be able to decipher it. By the way, here is my address: Stefan Rompf Stichwort: virtual memory P.O.Box 1864 D-W-6370 Oberursel 1 Germany If you are loading kickstart into 32 bit memory, you will have to temproraily remove it before HDMem will work, I use a script for this that goes like this: cpu nofastrom wait 2 c:cx/hdmem dh6:swapfile 63 8 -5 wait 1 cpu fastrom wait 3 endcli This unloads Kickstart, runs hdmem, then reloads kickstart. I usually launch this from ToolManager. Your paths may be different. Hope it works out for you. …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53279From: Richard S. Rose,M.D.Mar 24, 1993 10:42 PM
Steve, Thanks for the HDmem info . . . and by the way. Does that 68030 inside hurt much? I think I know where you can have it removed . . . and replaced with an 040, of course! 8) Rich
#53331From: Steve SetzerMar 25, 1993 6:01 PM
Rich, Seeing as how your are a `MD', can you surgicaly remove my 68030 and relplace it with a 68040? :^) …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53340From: Joe KuzmaMar 25, 1993 9:12 PM
Have you thought of subscribing to the way CIS handles software registration? Type GO SWREG ( I think that is what it is) to check it out. What happens is CIS bills the users CIS account, and sends you the money. Since CIS is an international company perhaps it has ways of getting you the money easier than your listed methods.
#53380From: Steve SetzerMar 26, 1993 11:15 AM
Joe, I am not the author of the program in question. I just happen to use it and Richard couldn't find where to send the shareware fee. I just cut, copied and pasted the info I had so that he could register it. I do LOVE the SWREG feature of CI$! I have already registered a few programs that I probably would have taken the effort to without it, I think all authors here should use it. I bet if you check with the ones who do, they will say that registration of their programs have increased because of it. …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53265From: Steve SetzerMar 24, 1993 8:26 PM
Vance, HDMem will not work correctly if you load kickstart in to high memory 1st. I wrote a small script using kickrom option of setcpu to unload KS from mem, run hdmem and then reload KS. I activate the script from ToolManager. Takes all of 15 seconds. Hope this helps. …steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53307From: Vance SchowalterMar 25, 1993 1:40 AM
Thanks very much! Now I can finally test it out! Vance
#53309From: Vance SchowalterMar 25, 1993 2:09 AM
I tried your script and still got an "MMU initialisation failed!". Vance
#53332From: Steve SetzerMar 25, 1993 6:01 PM
Vance, Are you using C= cpu command or Dave Haynies SetCPU? I seem to remeber having problems with SetCPU where C='s CPU command worked fine. If that is not it I have no idea. …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53333From: Vance SchowalterMar 25, 1993 6:23 PM
No, I'm only using the C= CPU, so I guess I'm just stuck. Oh well, I'd better start looking for some ZIPs. Vance
#53139From: Joe KuzmaMar 22, 1993 10:19 PM
Well, then — I checked out the Graphdev forum, downloaded your WinMorph program and fell in love. Is it currently in release form for the IBM? Kudos for moving into the Windows marketplace, I think that is a smart financial move for Black Belt systems. I know alot of folks are worried about Amiga developers moving over to the IBM world — but I think there's room for both. Especially with the new AAA chip set of the Amiga, and what I've heard about it… the Amiga will quickly move into the forefront of the graphics world. What other products are you working on for the Windows environment? Anything interesting? Similar to IP perhaps? Joe
#53161From: Black Belt SystemsMar 23, 1993 1:11 PM
Yes, it's shipping at this time – we just added targa alpha channel support to it, in fact. :^) We're not moving out of the Amiga marketplace at all – but we are moving to encompass some other platforms. It wouldn't be out of line to think of it as Windows sales helping to finance Amiga developments for the future. The next Windows product is called "WinImages: F/x" and will have a number of Imagemaster's more unusual image manipulation tools… the two taken together will approximate Imagemaster's power on the Amiga. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53167From: Joe KuzmaMar 23, 1993 3:46 PM
How much is the Win Morph product for the IBM? Are there any special deals for existing HAM-E owners? (Always looking for them deals!). Joe
#53219From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 4:42 AM
Nope, no cross-platform deals have been setup so far. It sells for $199.95 retail. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53168From: Steve SetzerMar 23, 1993 3:48 PM
Ben, I for one appreciate you supporting the windows version of your morphing package here in AmigaVen. It will get some of those PC types around here to see what is happening in the Amiga World. It also allows us to keep tabs on you as to letting your windows development getting ahead of the amiga 🙂 …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#53220From: Black Belt SystemsMar 24, 1993 4:43 AM
Yah, yah. :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#53089From: Black Belt SystemsMar 21, 1993 6:53 PM
Re-reading your message, let me be a bit more specific: The distortion morph should load the image into both the start and the end frames. That part is ok. However, it certainly should then let you plop points in the start frame and then move 'em in the right frame. That it will not seems to clearly be a bug (a very surprising one, too…). Before you call us, please verify that you are: In distortion mode; adding points to the staart frame. Thanks! –Ben …via AutoPilot