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#ISDN on Amiga!

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#94063From: Apr 3, 1993 4:12 PM
At the Danish Amiga Expo this weekend an German ISDN board for the Amiga was presented. It also incorporates phone functions with conference call and sound level regulation. Emulates the Hayes AT command set and has a port for sound sampling. The fact sheet also mentions something about answering machine capability. Price around $500. Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#94332From: Jim DuttonApr 6, 1993 1:11 AM
Joergen, Thanks for the info about the German ISDN board on display at the Danish Amiga Expo. It doesn't appear that ISDN will become a big hit with the average consumer in the US, so that board may not have much of a US market, but then – maybe it will find a niche? At any rate, it is nice to see that extended networking development is continuing for the ol' Ami'. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#94406From: Apr 6, 1993 6:16 PM
Jim, according to the sales rep demoing the board they had a lot of interest from BBS SYSOPs, especially those on FidoNet, because they transmit a lot of data between the nodes. Using ISDN really cuts down on data transmission costs, and I think that this will be one of the niches for ISDN. When a BBS has an ISDN line, it will also be offered to normal BBS users, and that may spur some interest in ISDN, too. In this country an ISDN line (i.e. ISDN-2: two 64 Kbit + one 16 Kbit line) is priced the same as two normal phone lines, and you can use it as two phone lines. The rates are also the same except for a 1 cent fee for each call made, so if you need two phones, there is no excuse for not going ISDN. However, the current ISDN phones available are rather expensive, but prices eventually will come down, I believe. Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#94603From: Jim DuttonApr 8, 1993 12:32 AM
Joergen, WOW – I didn't realize that your phone costs were so HIGH 😉 You are right in that ISDN may fit well within the BBS role. It may or may not ever show up at the local switchboard for general user consumption (like fiber optics). Oh well – time will tell. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#94636From: Apr 8, 1993 6:41 AM
Well, Jim, my phone company keeps telling me, that in this country phone costs are very low compared to other countries. Judge by yourself: monthly fixed cost is $15.70 (not including any calls). Local calls: 5 cents/min, long distance: 7.5-11 cents/min (all computed in increments of 3 cents, not in 1 minute increments). Between 7.30 PM and 8.00 AM and on Sundays there is a 50% rebate on these rates. Offering ISDN at these rates ought to be a fine incentive to get it going. Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#94736From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 9, 1993 12:01 AM
Joergen: In my area, the monthly flat rate is $7.00 USD a month and local calls are free. Long distance rates vary. There are about ten different long distance carriers to choose from. There are four that are real popular. They have alot of promotional programs to get your business. Oh yeah, evening rates 5:00PM – 10:PM will give you a 30% discount and late night and weekends will give you a 60% discount. With that said, how can you afford to talk on the phone in your country? -Jonathan
#95235From: Apr 12, 1993 6:37 AM
Well, Jonathan, you must live in an area with low phone costs. From my time in the U.S. (1985-87) I recall paying around $11 monthly and rather high long distance rates, but with only one phone company available here, you have to pay, what they ask, or stay off the phone ! (sigh). However, deregulation has come, but will probably never allow you to choose between different local phone companies.
#95633From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 15, 1993 1:08 AM
Joergen: I live in the Milpitas, CA (just north of San Jose, CA and in the same county – Santa Clara) … This is the heart of silicon valley and the rates are at about $8 month flat rate for unlimited local calls of any duration. Long distance is determined by one of the many competitive companies you may choose from. -Jonathan
#94742From: Don Curtis/SYSOPApr 9, 1993 1:06 AM
J0RGEN, Humm…. My phone rates are: About $15/month base rate Local calls (about a 400 square mile area) FREE Long Distance…varies with distance, first minute can be high, following minutes much lower. My general average is about 0.30/minute for long distance. So if I didn't make any long distance calls…I end up paying the $15 and that's it…no matter how long I'm actually on the phone, and around here…there are very few places that aren't in the local calling area. Don
#94761From: SyndesisApr 9, 1993 8:44 AM
I "solved" my recent long-distance problem by buying what the phone company called a "Bell Channel" line. If you recall, Syndesis just moved to Jefferson, WI, which is long-distance intra-LATA (dial 1) to Milwaukee. Two-three miles from here, we'd be back in the (608) area code, but we would still be dial-1 to there, too. So, this "channel" line is simply a Milwaukee phone number that they've carried out to Jefferson. It's a flat rate of about $150 a month, and $475 to install, but it's worth it to me for Compuserve and the Exec PC BBS. Now I'm back to a "local" call to Compuserve.
#94909From: Kelly JordanApr 10, 1993 8:46 AM
Gee, John, I wonder what it would cost to get a "Bell Channel" from Marathon to Toronto. It's only 1200 km from here!!!! 73, Kelly
#94959From: SyndesisApr 10, 1993 5:08 PM
I forget the particulars, but they did charge a certain amount for connection at the nearest station, a certain amount per mile from Milwaukee to Jefferson, and then another amount per quarter mile from the Jefferson station. What a scam. 🙂 Those amounts are charged every month, which accounts for the high cost – on top of the regular service charge. But it's still quite worth it. These LATA pricing issues really annoy me.
#94983From: Mark SterlingApr 10, 1993 8:43 PM
I sued to have such a line for my business. It was called an FX line for "Foreign Exchange". It was ~165/month for something like 18 miles to get into the very large Cleveland, Ohio local calling area. A change in our calling habits made it unfeasable but it saved us plenty when we were really pounding on it. Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling
#95240From: SyndesisApr 12, 1993 8:15 AM
Why did you need to sue to get it? They didn't want to give you one?
#94775From: michel beausejourApr 9, 1993 10:11 AM
Is it possible to get a flyer for that interface. Thanks, Michel Beausejour
#95236From: Apr 12, 1993 6:38 AM
Michel, I only have a flyer in Danish from the Danish distributor. It only mentions the manufacturer by its name: bsc Buroautomation AG, Germany. If you want it I can probably get more information from the distributor. A few facts: Name: ISDN Master (Amiga), ISDN Blaster (IBM PC) ISDN-2 (2 B-channels, 1 D-channel) Autoconfiguring Phone function: make calls from phone database, conferencing, sound level adjustment (16-52 dB) Answering machine: incoming/outgoing msgs from hard disk Concurrent phone call and data communication Amiga serial port not used Hayes AT command set 100% Amiga serial.device compatible Line audio input port for sound sampling Local language Intuition user interface The card comes with ISDN-2 card for Zorro slot, 2 meter ISDN cable, 1.5 meter audio cable, Amiga software, user manual Requirements: Amiga 2-3-4000, Kickstart 2.0 or higher, CPU 68020 or higher recommended Regards, J0RGEN ….from DENMARK
#94894From: Jim DuttonApr 10, 1993 2:48 AM
Joergen, I have to admit, that your phone rates are better than what I can get, here in the US. Actually, I was just kidding, before, about your rates, but I wouldn't doubt that ISDN will be more of an interest in your area than in mine. OH – ISDN is talked about in the "trade journals" here, but it would appear that it is going to be more of a specialty item, than a more "common commodity". Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#94774From: michel beausejourApr 9, 1993 10:10 AM
i'am very glad to ear that somebody came up with an ISDN interface for the Amiga ,working in the telecomm. area it might be the next thing that i will write down on my buying list. Bye Michel Beausejour
#94896From: Jim DuttonApr 10, 1993 2:48 AM
Michel, Though I don't see any future for ISDN in the part of the communications world that I am involved in, I and possibly others would be interested in what ISDN offers to you, and why you would be interested in an ISDN capable connection to your Amiga. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#95316From: michel beausejourApr 12, 1993 9:47 PM
ISDn can offer you high speed connections to Network's with a voice connection at the same time, it think that's a big plus. Why ISDN is not so popular may be the price for your loop and the interface is not cheap, but that may change in a near future… Bye Michel
#95362From: Jim DuttonApr 13, 1993 1:45 AM
Michel, Thanks for your thoughts on ISDN. I would expect that the costs for access and usage will drop over time, but still don't think that the "average (American) consumer" is going to use or have direct access to ISDN. That is something that the "local exchanges" in cooperation with the "ISDN providers" will have to work out. Perhaps it will be an option available in larger metropolitan areas. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#94635From: Kelly JordanApr 8, 1993 6:39 AM
J0rgen, Must be nice living in a country that doesn't make it so hard for utilities to advance their technology to consumers. In my town, our local Bell Canada switching station still uses the old stepping relays!!! I would be suprised if they have the capability to offer caller ID – which costs something like 18 cents a day (ARG)! 73, Kelly
#94776From: michel beausejourApr 9, 1993 10:14 AM
Where do you live,over 75% of our network is digital ? Michel Beausejour (Bell Canada employee,Quebec region)
#94906From: Kelly JordanApr 10, 1993 8:46 AM
Marathon, Ontario, population about 6k.
#95318From: michel beausejourApr 12, 1993 9:48 PM
Are you close from a bigger city? which one?
#95498From: Kelly JordanApr 14, 1993 6:35 AM
Michel, define 'bigger'? Thunder Bay is three hours west of here and the Soo is four hours east of here (road travel times). Line of sight is 200km and 280km, respectively. What few towns are between this location and those two cities are smaller then us (Wawa may be similiar in size, don't know their population). 73, Kelly