#Animations wanted
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Attention all animators!
Forte Advanced Management Inc, an established software development company
located in San Diego County, California, is interested in commissioning, or
acquiring rights to existing professional-quality PC animation files with the
following characteristics:
Format: Autodesk animator .FLI
Resolution: 320×200
Size: @400K (max 800K)
Characteristics: Looping in a natural manner, so that the last frame wraps
around logically back to the first.
Rendered with a ray-tracer and containing significant
reflective and/or refractive 3-dimensional components
Spatially and temporally smooth in appearance, at a
playback rate of 18 fps
High visual appeal, and for general consumption
Interested parties may send representative samples of their work for immediate
consideration:
a. In .FLI format on IBM-PC compatible 3.5" diskettes or b. On VHS
videotape
to: Geoff Goldberg
Forte Advanced Management, Inc.
2141 Palomar Airport Road, Suite 100
Carlsbad, Ca. 92009
You may also contact me on this BBS if you have any questions.
Happy animating!
What will be the END USE of these FLI's???? Lucky for us Amigans that some
of our software supports writing FLI's
Peter,
> Spatially and temporally smooth in appearance, at a playback rate of
18 fps
Well I guess I COULD slow down my anims to see if they would look good
on a 18fps PC! 😉
…AutoPilot Engaged…
-Paul-
Well Paul Don't forget Nearly ALL Animation even that which is done by
Disney is usually running at 12 FPS for Film and 15 FPS for Video.
Unless there's ALOT of Motion in the Scene they "Shoot on Two's"
to save time on drawing. You merely need to try to keep the Differences
between each frame Closer so it doesn't look Jerky.
I just Converted a 20 Frame Anim of the BD-Girl Walking Away from the
Camera to FLI. I CAN'T believe that this Lousy 20 Frame 320*200*256 color
anim is WELL OVER a MEG in size.
If you don't already have it get the LARGE BOOK
Disney Animation: The Illusion of Life. Lotsa good techniques are
discussed in it. Be aware tho that this Monster of a Book LISTS for $75
tho I got it for $38 a while back thru the Publishers Central Buraue
If I remember correctly, the .FLI format performs simple RLE compression on
each frame and also optimizes by not storing duplicates of pixel chunks that
don't change between frames. Therefore, if the camera is moving and the
background is not a single color, then the .FLI tends to be rather flabby.
Thanx for the info Kai, BTW the FLI in question has a Stationary Camera
with a Grayscale Background and is nought but a 20 frame loop of the BD
Girl Walking in Place.
Oops! That wasn't Kai – twas me (with Kai's permission). I've found that many
types of dithering can more than double the .FLI size. I've generated some
30-frame animations lately where everything is moving – they're still big at
@600K but an improvement I think. I disabled dithering so I either limit the
number of dissimilar colors in a scene or hope nobody notices the contouring
amongst all the action. Of course we only suffer these problems over here in
PC-land :^)
Sounds Feaseable. I used Floyd-Steinberg Dithering so perhaps this is what
is causing the HUGE File size for a Lousy 20 frame FLI
Peter,
I have that book, and it's rather dog eared from frequent use!
…AutoPilot Engaged…
-Paul-
Ahhhh Thou art Well Enlightened Jedi Knight. Another Pretty Good Book is
"Experimental Animation: Origin's of a New Art" by Robert Russett and
Cecile Starr. No Where NEAR as good as the Disney Book but interesting
nonetheless. I also recommend the book "Industrial Light and Magic: The
Art of Special Effects" by Thomas G Smith. Another EXPENSIVE Book.
The Material is a Bit Dated but Still VERY Informative, tho not much on
CGI since this book is from around 1984 or so.
Peter,
Thanks for the book tips. Now if only I had time to sit down and read!
…AutoPilot Engaged…
-Paul-
Me too, Now that I work within Walking Distance of my Home instead of a 2
hour each way Train Ride away, I Haven't read ANY Books lately. I have a
hard time reading all the Magazines I subscribe to now.
Glad to give the Book Tips.
Didn't I read an article somewhere that Disney was experimenting with
using computer tweening to fill in the gaps for those "Shoot on Two's"
setups? Since they've been using computers for coloring frames for some
things for a while now, this would seem like a very obvious and easy step
for them to do…
And that book is indeed a wonderful one, highly recommended for any
budding animator… I managed to snag a copy at a nearby book warehouse
for $25 some time back…
–>Steve Bennett
I'm Jelous now hehehehehehe ya got a better Deal than me. I dunno if thats
true or not about Computerized Tweening at Disney. Perhaps theyy are
refferring to Motion Blurring to smooth it up a bit?
Nice shot Paul! hehehe
-Rodney Massman * On AutoPilot in Beantown, The Buckeye State *
The animations will be used for trade show demos and presentations (not really,
but close enough!) To be honest, I can't disclose the purpose. However, there
are some additional requirements which, when revealed, should make the intent
clear. When we see some interesting work, we'll disclose those requirements.
Sorry then Dude. No Disclosure of the Purpose, I can't send you examples
of my work. Good Luck in your Search.
Lets fire up those Amigas and do some demos that'll REALLY show people
what a clone can do!
;^)
Do I sense a touch of PC-envy? Seriously, why do you think I came straight to
this forum when I needed some righteous animations?
Maybe you should start offering some righteous cash? We aren't in the
habit of giving our creations to anyone that happens to come along!
I was Perfectly Willing to give away some work in exchange for a Credit in
their Product but NOT if they are unwilling to tell me WHAT the Blasted
Work will be used for. I'm not much of a Business man hehehehehe I end up
offering to do alot of work Gratis just because I LOVE it. Just did
animated Titles for a Retirement Party Video…..Gratis. Tho that really
don't count since I know the Dude thats Retiring.
I think This is going to happen more and more soon. Lotsa Folks in my
Title that have Considerably more than the 20 Years required for
Retirement. I'll HAPPILY Do all their Video's as each one that goes moves
me up a notch.
I get PC-envy every time I see all the games that are available for
clones. Then I look at Windoze and when I finally sotp laughing I'm cured.
When you're impressing people with these demos you ARE going to explain
that they couldn't be done on a PC right? :^)
I've got a friend with an Iris. If I transfered some of his stuff to the
Amiga I could make some REALLY impressive Amiga demos.
Of course that sort of defeats the purpose of a graphics demo.
Now hang on a sec, were Amigans doing animations for PC-based
computers???
Sounds like using a sledge when all you needed was a hammer….
-Rodney Massman * On AutoPilot in Beantown, The Buckeye State *
One of the most hilarious things I saw at the Trenton Computer Faire this
weekend was the demos being used at the dozens and dozens of PC clone
vendors there. Nearly all could be listed in two categories: Slide shows
of women in swimsuits, and animations. And of the animations, I only
think I saw one or two which was NOT originally created on an Amiga…
<grin>
.–>Steve Bennett
That figures. Did they Show "Virtual Valerie" at the Trenton Computer
Fair? I just read about this somewhat interactive CD in Newmedia.
Sounded like a GREAT idea from the Marketer's Angle. It seems that all the
Top Selling CDROM's are of Nudes and Quicktime Anims on CDROM of Porn etc.
I was reading a trade rag the other day and they think that phone-sex is
going to be the 'cash-cow' of the video-phone market. Yechh.
(How's that for "interactive"?)
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
If phone-sex does become the 'cash cow' of the video-phone market it's
just a matter of time before they have a behind the scenes look on Current
Affair. They'll show some fat old woman in her 60's clipping pictures out
of Penthouse and holding them up to her phone. ;^)
Watching a show on phone-sex is like seeing how they did the special FX on
Terminater 2…..It'd be REALLY hard to enjoy it after you know how they
do it. :^(
Oh well, porn drove the video rental market, and look where it is today.
Lord knows I've heard about videophones for long enough!
(Of course, think about it. Would you really want to put your face on
camera EVERY time you got a phone call. There are times when this could be
quite embarassing.)
Erik Flom
Wouldn't embarass me. I ALWAYS look good! ;^)
Seriously though, there could be a big market for talking heads people
could put in front of their phones. Or you could sell phones with a video
jack built in that people could plug into their VCR and play back recorded
images of themselves. Of course the sound wouldn't be synced with the
video, but it shouldn't be and worse than an old Godzilla movie. ;^)
Yea like when I just woke up after a night of Drunken Debauchery at Faces
in Bay Ridge.
Rememeber Last Nights Pizza that was left on the Table when ya passed out
along with a half drained Beer ALWAYS TASTES Best "The Morning After"
Yah, that's how polaroid cameras got started. I used to make part for them back
in the late 60's. I was reading DR. Land's news letters. How do you think the
name "land camera" got to be, after Dr. Land who invented it. Actually he
"borrowed" the idea from Keaystone. Just a little trivia to add to your
discussion. george
Until Tipper Gore gets on the Case that is. Then Vid Phone Sex will be
Outlawed along with anything else they can tack onto the Bill.
I say Add a HUGE SIN TAX to it, Why Shouldn't Our "UNCLE" Cash in. Maybe
with all the Perv's here in the US they can balance the Budget.
It's amazing how much money 'sin' taxes bring in, especially since we're
supposed to be a 'Christian nation' :^)
You think you pay a lot for 'sin taxes'? You've never spent much time in
Canada have you? Up here the governments idea of 'sin' is anyone except
them having any money. :^(
Oh well, give us a few years, and we'll probably be forking over similar
amounts of dough to the gov't. :^)
Thanks to the proposed sales tax of Billary Clinton…
-Jonathan
Aww C'mon ya don't like the GST? Whatsit about 15% now? I've got alot of
Family in Canada in Kahnawakke by Montreal. It's an Indian Rez.
Sure! Laugh if you want to. If this keeps up you're going to have to start
patrolling your north border for illegal aliens the way you do now with
Mexico.
Canada…The best polititions money can buy. :^(
Heehee, I ONLY Drink for Medicinal Purposes I assure you. Actually I was
Raised Catholic tho I like the "Heathen" Religions much better. I think
I'll take a smattering of the techings of the Norsemen, add a dash of
Wicca and then season with some of the Beliefs of my People, the Mohawk.
Maybe I'll move someplace with a GREAT NAME too. Have you all worship a
Head of Lettuce named Ralph.
This msg is totally pointless eh? Are you entering the Inside
Space Contest that Amigaworld is cosponsoring?????(trying to get back on
topic)
Do you have the address for that 'Inside Space' thingie? I thought I had
it, but seem to have mislaid their address.
If so, could you please pass it on to me?
Thanks, (& 'Skoal!')
Erik Flom
Sure Thing dude.
AmigaWorld/Inside Space Animation Contest
Tim Wilson
C/O Amigaworld/Inside Space Contest
80 Elm ST
Peterborough NH 03458
They want a Hi8,VHS or SVHS Tape for review purposes and a 3/4" tape for
Broadcast.
June 15 is the Deadline
Good Luck and may the Force be with you hehehehehehehe
No kidding, I mean, last weekend – friend of mine was looking at a 486 at
Sams Wholesale and on the side of the box it comes packed in is an old,
old (and I do mean old) Pic of the 3 or 4 transparent spheres against a
brick wall background – the same pic created on the Amiga years ago!
-Rodney Massman * On AutoPilot in Beantown, The Buckeye State *