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#Quark 3.2

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#54942From: Miguel ChavezApr 17, 1993 5:36 AM
Since Soft-Logik seems to be asking for any suggestions/wishes/et al, I was wondering if anyone in your team was aware of QuarkXpress 3.2? I was just at the Boston Seybold conference this past Wednesday where Quark was showing 3.2. Suffice it to say that they have improved upon their flagship product. If you wish, I could fax you a page or two from their 3.2 brochure… It might make sense to shoot for their list of new features. I don't know enough about Quark or Pagestream to rattle off specific things Quark 3.2 has vs. what PS 3.0 will have. Needless to say, if you REALLY wanted to capture some attention, allow PS 3.0 to IMPORT Quark documents! 😉 Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
#54951From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportApr 17, 1993 9:29 AM
Importing documents is an extremely difficult problem. We'd have to first reverse engineer their format (anyone attempting to reverse engineer our 2.2 format would go crazy—it would take a year), then we'd have to have a huge block of code to import it. This is not really practical. PgS 3.0 will use an open format (IFF DOC) which will be available to other companies and which will support all of their features. If they wish to settle on a standard format we'd be happy to oblige, but so far, everyone else seems to want to protect their own format. 3.2: I haven't seen the brochure yet, although I'm sure somebody will upload it online soon. If you want to fax me a copy, our number is 314-894-3280. Attn: Mike. Thanks. Michael – Soft-Logik Publishing
#54965From: Miguel ChavezApr 17, 1993 1:11 PM
Of course the Quark loader thing was said tongue-in-cheek! Besides, from everything I've seen in Quark up to 3.11, their file format is not too efficient/organized, IMHO. Hey, anything I can do to make sure one camp is fully aware of what the other camp is up to. There's nothing that makes me cringe more when someone says their product is better than someone else's product, yet they haven't noticed that that other product has been revised not too long ago. For instance, I hope all the image processor people out there in Amigadom are looking at what Photoshop 2.5 is capable of doing, as well as Kai's power tools, a Photoshop set of plug-ins that greatly enhance PS. Thanks for listening… Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
#55177From: John BonoApr 19, 1993 10:21 PM
It seems as though Softlogic is part of the problem when it comes to import/export of files then. The data format for *any* program other than compression programs should be placed in the public domain, so that other pieces of software can exchange data with them. At *worst* the company creating the data format should create a datatype under 3.0.
#55208From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportApr 20, 1993 11:41 AM
The data format for 3.0 will be a public format. It is called IFF DOC. The data format for PageLiner is IFF DTXT. The data format for tags is IFF DTAG. The data format for drawings if IFF DR2D. The data format is Art Expression is EPS (documentation available on request, although it is simple and obvious for a PostScript programmer). The only non-public format we have ever had is the old PageStream document format, and we are the first company to use a public desktop publishing format. Import/Export filters are part of the program code, and are not a data format. Printer drivers are also part of the program code and are not a data format. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you accuse us of something. Michael – Soft-Logik Publishing
#55289From: BILL LEACHApr 21, 1993 8:54 AM
Yike! Are you SERIOUS? Soft-Logic has done more to support standard file and object formats than any other company that I know of! This effort is anything but trivial also. S-L has gone to a great deal of trouble to support these "public" formats and not loose anything in the power and capabilities of the programs. Expecting PgS to have a "public" file format for the documents is er… wild. At this stage of the game DTP is evolving far too rapidly to even consider such a thing. By being the company that has proposed and supported standard that allow the sharing of complex data structures between programs S-L has done more than anyone else in this area for this class of program. The process has been and undoubtedly will continue to be (for some time to come) a painful one. Just trying to get DR2D to work well between programs has been quite an effort for all of the software authors that have tried and they have a ways to go yet. Implementing datatypes is indeed a good idea but keep in mind that datatypes is rather new and is not available for older versions of the OS (an important consideration for software authors). Also consider that so far datatypes has been exclusively a "read only" acitvity. A lot more work needs to be done there before data types is ready for the job. In summary, while your suggestions are wonderful (but overly idealistic), you have attacked the one company that has tried the hardest to make it possible for you to use other vendor software to manipulate the data that S-L products work with! -bill
#55297From: Soft-Logik Tech SupportApr 21, 1993 10:00 AM
Thanks for defending the crown Bill, but PgS will have a public file format in version 3.0. (Well, public to developers at least. Just like you don't find the IFF DTXT specs in AmigaWorld since it's such fascinating reading. 😉 Michael – Soft-Logik Publishing
#55087From: Nancy DevittApr 19, 1993 1:21 AM
If you have a PC or BB, you can get a working demo of Quark for $10. Just call the company. (It's quite something, but their "introductory special" of $595 is pretty steep.) …..Nancy From Edmonton, AB, Canada
#55162From: Miguel ChavezApr 19, 1993 8:42 PM
I'm not sure why you're telling me this? Maybe you meant this message for the Soft-Logik folks? Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!